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Old 01-25-2022, 12:15 PM   #941
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I don’t think he wants to stay. If he did, he would have signed already. Free agents aren’t lining up to come to Calgary. I’d make him an offer for the top end of what he’s likely to get on the open market, and if he doesn’t take it, trade him before we lose him for nothing. The team isn’t going anywhere this season anyway.
I’ve got bad news for you on your “trade him” idea.
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Old 01-25-2022, 12:26 PM   #942
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He has had one year where his point production was similar, the last two he was quite a bit less than a point per game. And IMO we have never seen this kind of complete game and compete level from him. Some credit goes to Sutter for sure. But is he also being signed for 8 years?

I agree he's not a Kadri, but he's not getting an 8 year deal either.

IMO you can't pay any player based on tehri best season, not when they will be turning 29 years old.
I think you’re forgetting the biggest variable of all here and that’s Matthew Tkachuk. Gaudreau has never played with a talent like Tkachuk before who plays and thinks the game like him.

I said it at the end of the 20-21 season that the Gaudreau-Tkachuk duo reminds me a lot of the McDavid-Draisaitl combo. Our duo may not be as physically gifted as the generational players up north, but their chemistry is still out of this world.

When you put 2 players with instincts, vision, anticipation and the type of skill these 2 have, magic happens and if was in full display yesterday. I’m absolutely signing both those players long term because together with Lindholm, they form arguably the best 2 way line in the entire league.

This line is the only reason why this team wins any games at all. From my count, they’re at 19 of 19 in terms of impact on Flames victories so far this season.
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Old 01-25-2022, 12:32 PM   #943
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Is it a contract year? Yes, but he's just shy of a 1 p/gp career average, and he's had better seasons (p/gp-wise) than this one in non-contract years.

I think a much better reason for this return-to-form is that this is the first real coach he's played for since Jerry York.
No he hasn't. After 9 points in his last three games he is now on a 107 point pace.

Gaudreau is a great player and even great players have career seasons. I want him re-signed badly but I'm not in the camp of letting him name his price.
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If Johnny would go 9.5x8 I wonder if Tkachuk would consider the same?
I feel like Chucky's cap hit will be $9M or less but I think you're bang on for Johnny's.
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Old 01-25-2022, 01:00 PM   #945
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I feel like Chucky's cap hit will be $9M or less but I think you're bang on for Johnny's.
I have no idea why Tkachuk would sign a deal like that? He is guaranteed 9 next year and would walk to UFA and get at least that much.

I think paying him and Johnny the same makes sense. They are the best players on the team. Both are dynamic offensive players with Johnny having higher scoring potential hit Tkachuk brings those other key elements.

Give them the same deal, give Chucky the C and hope you can put good players around them to win over the next 8 years.
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Tkachuk and Gaudreau signed long term for combined hit of say $18 or $19 million? That's probably as good as you could hope for, now you just hope that translates to some playoff success.
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I don’t think he wants to stay. If he did, he would have signed already. Free agents aren’t lining up to come to Calgary. I’d make him an offer for the top end of what he’s likely to get on the open market, and if he doesn’t take it, trade him before we lose him for nothing. The team isn’t going anywhere this season anyway.
Too much positivity for you in here?
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Old 01-25-2022, 02:29 PM   #948
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I want him re-signed badly but I'm not in the camp of letting him name his price.
He holds all the cards. He can, if he wants, make Calgary pay a price none of us like. IMO, if he was going to sign below $10M AAV, it would be done already.
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Old 01-25-2022, 03:01 PM   #949
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Tkachuk and Gaudreau signed long term for combined hit of say $18 or $19 million? That's probably as good as you could hope for, now you just hope that translates to some playoff success.
It concerns me to have that much tied up in 2 guys with neither being a center. What dies lindholm cost in 3 years?
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Johnny's next contract should be A x B.

Where A and B are years and millions of dollars, respectively as decided by Johnny.
I would argue it should be X and Y, but that's just me.
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Too much positivity for you in here?
Where has positivity gotten us for the past thirty-three years?
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Old 01-25-2022, 03:20 PM   #952
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No he hasn't. After 9 points in his last three games he is now on a 107 point pace.

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technically you are correct, its probably fair to say that at least 18-19 was comparable (and by my napkin math he may have been ahead or around the same current pace by game 38 or so that year), he's been lights out this year no question, but it doesn't feel totally out of keeping with at least that year



I share the buyer beware concern
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Old 01-25-2022, 03:22 PM   #953
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I have no idea why Tkachuk would sign a deal like that? He is guaranteed 9 next year and would walk to UFA and get at least that much.

I think paying him and Johnny the same makes sense. They are the best players on the team. Both are dynamic offensive players with Johnny having higher scoring potential hit Tkachuk brings those other key elements.

Give them the same deal, give Chucky the C and hope you can put good players around them to win over the next 8 years.
i see what Brady signed for and gave Matty the bump for being better.

also, i'm not sure he gets more in free agency and we can offer the extra year
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Where has positivity gotten us for the past thirty-three years?
What positivity? Flames fans have been generally crabby and bitchy since 1990.

But if you think you can make the Flames better by annoying other fans on a message board with constant kvetching, well, I guess we can't change that any more than you can change the team.
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It concerns me to have that much tied up in 2 guys with neither being a center. What dies lindholm cost in 3 years?
It should concern you as to what the franchise looks without one or both of these 2 guys next year should they leave. Even if a trade is made prior to FA or RFA, you're likely not coming out on top by losing the best player(s) on expiring deals this late in the game.

If you are talking ballpark $9M AAV for both long term, it would really only be a $4Mish increase on the team's current books. Bribe someone to take Monahan or Lucic off your hands with a pick and you've got your room right there.
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Like, I know the typical want that people fixate on is "elite centers, good wingers." Well some teams have "elite wingers, good centers" and seem to do not bad (Vegas and Washington come to mind). The Flames are of that variety.

I wish people would move off the "we need an elite center" thing, because we don't. We almost won a cup with Conroy as our (good) 1C and Iggy the (elite) 1RW. I would even argue that our current 1C Lindholm is just as good as Toews was when he was winning 3 cups with his elite RW Kane.

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This team doesn't get an elite 1C without having to give up either one or both of our elite Ws anyway, and we wouldn't even have any 'good' wingers to pair with out shiny new elite 1C even if we got one. So... again, I come back to move Backlund and a pick out for a top-six RW upgrade. Monny is getting his mojo back finally, so we can go into the playoffs with two good Cs and two elite Ws and maybe even a couple of good Ws to finish out the top-six.

Move Dube and Valimaki for another good, middle-six C. Do something with the 4th line. Maybe add another depth D that can at the very least chew some minutes without giving the puck away if there's an injury, and we're good to go.

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Like, I know the typical want that people fixate on is "elite centers, good wingers." Well some teams have "elite wingers, good centers" and seem to do not bad (Vegas and Washington come to mind). The Flames are of that variety.

I wish people would move off the "we need an elite center" thing, because we don't. We almost won a cup with Conroy as our (good) 1C and Iggy the (elite) 1RW. I would even argue that our current 1C Lindholm is just as good as Toews was when he was winning 3 cups with his elite RW Kane.

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This team doesn't get an elite 1C without having to give up either one or both of our elite Ws anyway, and we wouldn't even have any 'good' wingers to pair with out shiny new elite 1C even if we got one. So... again, I come back to move Backlund and a pick out for a top-six RW upgrade. Monny is getting his mojo back finally, so we can go into the playoffs with two good Cs and two elite Ws and maybe even a couple of good Ws to finish out the top-six.

Move Dube and Valimaki for another good, middle-six C. Do something with the 4th line. Maybe add another depth D that can at the very least chew some minutes without giving the puck away if there's an injury, and we're good to go.
Also Elias Lindholm is a top end center based on his play this season.

He ranks 13th among all forwards in Goals Above Replacement.

Behind Tomas Hertl and ahead of Auston Matthews, Kirill Kaprizov, and Leon Draisaitl.

That feels like good Company...
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Tkachuk and Gaudreau signed long term for combined hit of say $18 or $19 million? That's probably as good as you could hope for, now you just hope that translates to some playoff success.
Anything under $20M combined should be Tre's target.
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https://twitter.com/user/status/1486160708475633665

Team just posted this.

Should fans read more into this?
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It looks like a good sign that maybe things are moving along.

I do think it will take a bit of skill to re-sign these two players and who knows what other tactics other teams are trying to get Tkachuk and Gaudreau on their team. If I have any concern it's Treliving's and the Flames ability to get this done as favorable as the situation seems to be for the Flames.
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