Draisaitl with a couple nice goals. The first one looked like many Nichushkin goals from last year. Nice power move, beating a good D-man, Dillon Heatherington, to score
I dont understand how Sam Reinhart "doesnt project to be a #1 C at the NHL level". Thats a load of BS if you ask me. Sam is going to be a damn good #1 C for whoever drafts him. I hope its the Flames.
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I dont understand how Sam Reinhart "doesnt project to be a #1 C at the NHL level". Thats a load of BS if you ask me. Sam is going to be a damn good #1 C for whoever drafts him. I hope its the Flames.
He doesn't have great speed. Or size. Or a great shot. And he's not especially gritty. His assets are his hands and his hockey sense.
Can you name a #1C whose only standout qualities are his hands and hockey sense?
Thornton. His size is there, but I wouldn't call it a standout quality to his game.
Joe Thornton uses his size extremely well. He doesn't go out to throw big hits, but he uses his size very effectively to shield the puck.
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I dunno ... maybe? It's impossible to determine something like that. For the record, I don't feel Reinhart is going to be an elite #1C, I just think that you could have a combination of him and Monahan as a 1A/1B and be doing alright.
They're not going to blast you out of your chair every night with flashiness, but having two cerebral, defensively capable players at pivot on lines 1 and 2 is pretty nice.
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They're not going to blast you out of your chair every night with flashiness, but having two cerebral, defensively capable players at pivot on lines 1 and 2 is pretty nice.
It would be. The idea of two such smart players on the same line together is also intriguing (assuming the Flames picked up another blue-chip center during the rebuild). I imagine they could have wicked chemistry.
It would be. The idea of two such smart players on the same line together is also intriguing (assuming the Flames picked up another blue-chip center during the rebuild). I imagine they could have wicked chemistry.
Well yeah, if we go full Oiler next year and end up with McDavid or Eichel, move Reinhart to RW.
He doesn't have great speed. Or size. Or a great shot. And he's not especially gritty. His assets are his hands and his hockey sense.
Can you name a #1C whose only standout qualities are his hands and hockey sense?
Staal? Getzlaf? Thornton? Kopitar? Toews? Those guys may be a little bigger, but its not like guys like Giroux, Bergeron or Sedin are less effective because they are 2" shorter than the first group of guys.
Reinhart is currently sitting at a 1.7 PPG ratio. To put that into perspective...
Draft Year Centers - Stats from HockeyDB:
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 1.5PPG - Sam is an inch taller, and 6lbs heavier NOW than RNH
Joe Thornton - 2.06PPG - Joe is Jumbo - different era too
Getzlaf - 0.97PPG
Spezza - 2.07PPG
Mackinnon - 1.7PPG (Reinhart is 1 inch taller, 6lbs lighter)
Monahan - 1.3PPG (Reinhart 1 inch shorter, 10lbs lighter)
Stamkos - 1.7PPG (Reinhart same height, 11lbs lighter as Stamkos is NOW)
Giroux - 1.5PPG (Reinhart is 2 inches taller, and 5lbs heavier than Giroux is NOW)
Bergeron - 1.04PPG (Bergeron is 1 inch taller and 17lbs heavier now)
I can continue. Point I am trying to make is that anyone writing off Reinhart because he is too small (6'1", 177lbs) saying he doesn't have the size to be a #1 center is absolutely wrong. Anyone that is saying he is not offensive enough because he is only scoring at a 1.7PPG mark is also completely wrong. He is bigger and/or outscoring a lot of centers (and high-end recent draft choices) who are currently plying their trade in the NHL right now.
Now how many of those centers I just compared him to played as well of a 200ft game then? Who knows where he would be statistically if he played a much more offensive game like some prospects do.
Reinhart absolutely deserves to be thought of as a future #1 center. Something has to go wrong for him not to be. It is fine to think that perhaps Bennet might become a better player, or Ekblad is more deserving of being taken first, or even make cases for other players in a rational way. However, to say that this kid is doubtful of becoming a #1 center in the NHL is due to size or lack of offence is 100% wrong when comparing other prospects in their draft ages that DID become #1 centers.
I would have compared him to Toews, but NCAA points I felt aren't as comparable. He is (to me) Monahan with a higher offensive ceiling. Even having two 60-70pt, very strong 2-way centers on the top 2 lines makes any team difficult to play against.
Also, can anyone name any #1 centers who don't have standout qualities in the area of hockey sense and hands? Go ahead, name one. Reinhart has a very decent shot. His playmaking and finishing is very good, but not elite. He is a playmaking center who when pushed to the wing (MacDavid) has a wonderful nose for the net and finishes well. Just because he is not a sniper doesn't mean he is doubtful to become a #1 center. It isn't like he has a weak shot. He also has good speed.
Outside of something derailing his development, he WILL become a #1 center in the NHL. The numbers justify it. His size justifies it. His VERY high hockey IQ justifies it. His skills justify it. Add in a wonderful 200ft game...This kid is the real deal.
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I can continue. Point I am trying to make is that anyone writing off Reinhart because he is too small (6'1", 177lbs) saying he doesn't have the size to be a #1 center is absolutely wrong.
Holy strawman. The point isn't that he doesn't have the size to be a #1C. The point is if you don't bring the size, you better bring the speed (MacKinnon), grittiness (Toews), elite shot (Stamkos) or mad dangling skilz (Giroux).
And he's not being 'written off'. This is widely considered a weak draft. Reinhart is not regarded as the consensus #1 overall pick. In some drafts, there are no #1 centers drafted. Or the #1 centers who do come out of the draft are late bloomers who were drafted in the late 1st or second round. A top-five pick who turns into a #2 center is not a bust. Look at Daymond Langkow. Top centre taken his draft year. Solid #2 C his entire career. Not a bust by any stretch of the imagination.
Holy strawman. The point isn't that he doesn't have the size to be a #1C. The point is if you don't bring the size, you better bring the speed (MacKinnon), grittiness (Toews), elite shot (Stamkos) or mad dangling skilz (Giroux).
And he's not being 'written off'. This is widely considered a weak draft. Reinhart is not regarded as the consensus #1 overall pick. In some drafts, there are no #1 centers drafted. Or the #1 centers who do come out of the draft are late bloomers who were drafted in the late 1st or second round. A top-five pick who turns into a #2 center is not a bust. Look at Daymond Langkow. Top centre taken his draft year. Solid #2 C his entire career. Not a bust by any stretch of the imagination.
Gotta love this place.
Person A: Player X is a 10.
Person B: More like a 9.
Person A: How can you say he's a piece of crap!!!
Strawman?
I picked the first #1 centers that came to mind, or recent picks that were highly thought of as future #1 centers. Feel free to pick your own. It isn't like I picked Stajan who has been playing as the Flames' #1 center out of default for stretches in his tenure here, or some other 'not quite #1' guys. I don't know how you can point at that and say it is a strawman argument. Really, feel free to select your own (not named Crosby of course - #1 Centers don't have to be generational talents after all).
Point I was making was that many people (wasn't even just pointing at you by the way) don't feel that Reinhart doesn't have #1 center projections. They say he isn't offensive enough (scores at or great than many premier centers in the NHL in their respective draft years) or is too small (even though he is taller or heavier at this very moment than some, and can of course be expected to at least fill out if not gain another inch). Nevermind all his other intangibles (leadership, defensive acumen, right-handed shot, faceoff abilities, playmaking abilities).
I never accused anyone of stating he is going to bust. I am questioning how people can look at him and say they don't see a future #1 center in him. Sure, there are no guarantees that he will make it, and anything can derail a kid's career. I just have to question how someone watches him play and comes away with "Not #1 center potential", when everything points in that direction currently?
If you want clarification on any of my posts, please question and even challenge me on it - that is what a forum is about.
And yes, I do 'gotta love this place', or I would post here. This is a discussion forum on the Flames and hockey in general. You post, get argued with, learn something, and go with the flow. I have posted many things on this forum that have been challenged. Some have stood up, and a vast number of my thoughts were absolutely foolish and rightfully stomped on. No need to take anything personal. Sorry if my post made you feel that way.
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