Connecticut School Shooting

[Flash Walken]

Maybe we should keep invasion/tyranny preparedness fantasies to another thread?

I think you brought up a great point about magazine fed handguns.

[Rudee]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Last year in Seattle a guy walks into a cafe and guns down 4 cops having coffee, guns are totally useless for defence unless you have them drawn and aimed and expect a threat, even then if the wack job has a kevlar vest on (and these wack jobs all seem to have kevlar vests) he is essentially untouchable to the average marksman.

Actually no. Marksman in high risk situations aim for the head.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Rudee

Actually no. Marksman in high risk situations aim for the head.

No they don't.
Cops, military, etc, are all trained to shoot for center of mass.

[polak]

Originally Posted by Rudee

Actually no. Marksman in high risk situations aim for the head.

No? Unless you're a sniper you aim for the torso.

Tell me when the last time a marksman trained while getting shot at with real live fire?

Thats when I'll believe that ANYONE outside of a recent combat experienced vet even has a remote shot of shooting someone in the head, while under fire on a consistent basis.

This whole conversation is stupid. Just completely stupid.

[Flash Walken]

Video made following aurora shooting.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

That's a good point,

I wonder if the forefathers envisioned a tyrannical US govt with drones circling the skies, shooting dissidents with pin point accuracy, when they wrote up the 2nd?

“And yes, the founding fathers wanted you to have the right to bear arms, but the guys who wrote that would pee through all eight layers of their pants if they saw what guns are now. In 1787 shooting a bullet was only slightly faster than throwing one. If you wanted to be bullet proof in 1787 you put on a heavy coat. So with that in mind, I’m all about Americans having guns, as long as they’re the muskets from 1787 that take forever to load.”

- Seth Meyers - SNL Weekend Update 1/15/11

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by troutman

“And yes, the founding fathers wanted you to have the right to bear arms, but the guys who wrote that would pee through all eight layers of their pants if they saw what guns are now. In 1787 shooting a bullet was only slightly faster than throwing one. If you wanted to be bullet proof in 1787 you put on a heavy coat. So with that in mind, I’m all about Americans having guns, as long as they’re the muskets from 1787 that take forever to load.”

- Seth Meyers - SNL Weekend Update 1/15/11

That's what Alan Dershowitz was saying when being interviewed on CNN the other night too.

[Red Slinger]

Some interesting polling on gun control from CNN:

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/im...ember19.4p.pdf

A couple tidbits:

No restrictions on owning guns- Dec.2012-13%
------------------------------Aug.2012-13%
------------------------------Jan.2011- 14%
------------------------------Jun.2009- 14%

Some restrictions-Dec- 71%
-----------------Aug- 76%
-----------------Jan- 71%
-----------------Jun-71%

All guns should be illegal except police,etc.-Dec-15%
------------------------------------------Aug-10%
------------------------------------------Jan-14%
------------------------------------------Jun-15%

So, the vast majority of people believe there should be some restrictions on gun ownership. The difficulty seems to be in defining which and how many restrictions. Amazing that 13% of people feel that there should be no restrictions.

There are also a couple of other interesting statistics such as:

-5% of those asked said there should be no background checks required prior to purchasing a gun.
-8% said that a convicted felon or mentally unstable person should be allowed to purchase a gun.
-37% said that there should be no restrictions on owning a semi-automatic weapon such as a AK-47.
-37% said there should not be a ban on the sale and possesion of hig-capacity or extended ammo clips.
-52% said there should be no limit to the number of guns a person can own.
-4% said they felt no sadness from the tragedy of Sandy Hook.
-43% said that they are more likely to support stricter gun laws as a result of this tragedy.
-7% said that they are less likely to support stricter gun laws as a result of this tragedy.

The good news is that, at least in the short term, people seem to be more supportive of stricter gun laws as a result of this. The bad news is that there are still a lot of absolute f-in idiots out there and at least 13% of them have guns.

[Itse]

I think stuff like this might be a part of the problem.



It's possibly even worse with the rest of the ads in this series.

http://goodmenproject.com/good-feed-...ive-ever-seen/

[Kipperriffic]

No one in US should have any type of gun except a small non-automatic pistol. Even getting that should require tough background checks and person should be evaluated every year.

The bull#### known as "The 2nd Amendment" needs to be thrown out. It has no place in the US constitution.

[SeeBass]

Blaming video games for these events are a joke.

So a young man owns and plays violent video games call me shocked I bet he also had porn.

Why are we not blaming porn for all our world's mistakes like we used to in the 70's and 80's?

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

Why are we not blaming porn for all our world's mistakes like we used to in the 70's and 80's?

It depends who you talk to. Walmart sells 30-round magazines but finds porno magazines too morally objectionable.

[SeeBass]

^agreed but do you notice how porn is no longer the boogie man in the room anymore.

20 years ago porn was the fall guy for crime and drugs. Apparantly it was the common denominator so it must be the problem.

Now most everybody knows and has used porn in their lives and we have all functioned pretty normaly. So we know that porn is not the problem.
Now there are a few generations that have little to no experience with violent video games and like normal people they fear what they are not comfortable with.

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by Kipperriffic

No one in US should have any type of gun except a small non-automatic pistol. Even getting that should require tough background checks and person should be evaluated every year.

The bull#### known as "The 2nd Amendment" needs to be thrown out. It has no place in the US constitution.

The Second Amendment needs to be interpreted more reasonably, but I don't think that trying to ban hunting weapons would be a net positive. As a motorcycle rider, the increase in deer population would be a much more direct threat to my life than a guy with a hunting rifle has ever been.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Itse

I think stuff like this might be a part of the problem.



It's possibly even worse with the rest of the ads in this series.

http://goodmenproject.com/good-feed-...ive-ever-seen/

When I look at this ad, all I can see it saying is "Do you have a small penis? Would you like the feeling of a big penis without actually having one?"

[SeeGeeWhy]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

^agreed but do you notice how porn is no longer the boogie man in the room anymore.

20 years ago porn was the fall guy for crime and drugs. Apparantly it was the common denominator so it must be the problem.

Now most everybody knows and has used porn in their lives and we have all functioned pretty normaly. So we know that porn is not the problem.
Now there are a few generations that have little to no experience with violent video games and like normal people they fear what they are not comfortable with.

A totally separate discussion, but pornography is still a boogey man today, It's often brought up as causation for a decline in masculinity and other social statistics such as divroce rates.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Itse

I think stuff like this might be a part of the problem.



It's possibly even worse with the rest of the ads in this series.

http://goodmenproject.com/good-feed-...ive-ever-seen/

Their next ad will probably brag about about a high child per minute kill rate.

[Puppet Guy]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

When I look at this ad, all I can see it saying is "Do you have a small penis? Would you like the feeling of a big penis without actually having one?"

Selling a product called "Bushmaster" really contributes to that, too.

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by SeeGeeWhy

A totally separate discussion, but pornography is still a boogey man today, It's often brought up as causation for a decline in masculinity and other social statistics such as divroce rates.

Yup true, but nowhere what it was like when it was blamed for crimes.

There was a time when pot was also the boogey man for societies ills.

I guess these still are but not even close to the attitude 20-30 year ago.

[DuffMan]

Funny on how attitudes haven't changed at all since 1968

Gloria: Do you know that sixty percent of all deaths in America are caused by guns?
Archie Bunker: Would it make you feel any better, little girl, if they was pushed out of windows?