2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Calgary4LIfe]

I would bet on Monahan to out-skate Strome too. Strome really looks out of place on the ice sometimes with his speed.

[sureLoss]

HNIC:

on the pending big name UFAs:
SJ really trying to re-sign Hertl
Ducks trying to be careful giving term to Lindholm
Friedman says things have been quiet on Gaudreau and Frosberg


Flyers scouting Panthers' AHL team believed to be watching Owen Tippet. Marek commented on Panthers being a possible destination for Giroux.


Max Comtois is being speculated as possibly available from the Ducks. Had surgery on his hand and COVID to derail his season.

Habs may try to move Shea Weber's contract

What might drive the Canucks trade deadline strategy is if they can get a good young defenceman in return for one of their guys.

Wild may trade rights to Jack McBain who is in his final college season and might go the UFA route.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

HNIC:

on the pending big name UFAs:
SJ really trying to re-sign Hertl
Ducks trying to be careful giving term to Lindholm
Friedman says things have been quiet on Gaudreau and Frosberg


Flyers scouting Panthers' AHL team believed to be watching Owen Tippet. Marek commented on Panthers being a possible destination for Giroux.


Max Comtois is being speculated as possibly available from the Ducks. Had surgery on

Habs may try to move Shea Weber's contract

What might drive the Canucks trade deadline strategy is if they can get a good young defenceman in return.

Wild may trade rights to Jack McBain who is in his final college season and might go the UFA route.

Juolevi is available

[TheChief]

I'm holding onto hope that we can upgrade our 3 C massively at trade deadline. McCann please and thank you!!!! Wouldn't mind a Gustafson type add aswell, I think we have a need for someone who could do what Kylington can do in a pinch.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I would bet on Monahan to out-skate Strome too. Strome really looks out of place on the ice sometimes with his speed.

Strome is right at the bottom of the barrel in terms of skating in the NHL.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Strome is right at the bottom of the barrel in terms of skating in the NHL.

He was one of the worst skaters at the OHL level even…

[Tkachukwagon]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1500262622993829889

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think I would probably go something like this.
Charles McAvoy also goes top 5 for me.

1. Matthews
2. Fox
3. Tkachuk
4. McAvoy
5. Laine
6. Dubois
7. Debrincat
8. Chych
9. Sergachev
10. Keller

Looks good Jiri, I'd swap DeBrincat/Laine.

[Bankai]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Looks good Jiri, I'd swap DeBrincat/Laine.

F'in Fox. Sigh. However we probably never would've had Lindholm but man, imagine top 2/3 on a redraft.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

HNIC:

on the pending big name UFAs:
SJ really trying to re-sign Hertl
Ducks trying to be careful giving term to Lindholm
Friedman says things have been quiet on Gaudreau and Frosberg


Flyers scouting Panthers' AHL team believed to be watching Owen Tippet. Marek commented on Panthers being a possible destination for Giroux.


Max Comtois is being speculated as possibly available from the Ducks. Had surgery on his hand and COVID to derail his season.

Habs may try to move Shea Weber's contract

What might drive the Canucks trade deadline strategy is if they can get a good young defenceman in return for one of their guys.

Wild may trade rights to Jack McBain who is in his final college season and might go the UFA route.

Man, would Comtois be a good get. Big, hard-working, and tough-perfect Sutter player, and he's only 23. Even when he's not putting up points, as is the case this year, he's still useful as a physical force, and he's a good all-around player, and agitator. Price would be steep though, but if he could get back to his form from last year where he had 33 pts in 55 games, and was trending upwards....

[Sandman]

Lawson Crouse had a goal tonight, and beat up Austin Watson. Wish we could get him....

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon

https://twitter.com/user/status/1500262622993829889

Tweet not there, what was it?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

He's a good player and we should try to add him; I'm just skeptical he's an 'upgrade' on Monahan...but as a poor-man's Lindholm he might actually be a great winger for 23.

Mangi-Backlund-Toffoli
Coleman-Monahan-Jarnkrok
Lucic-Ruzicka-Lewis
Dubé

The ideal add is a fast, play-making, good defensively C/W with playoff experience. Jarnkrok probably checks those boxes as well as anyone realistically available. Dubé seemed to have a lot of those qualities, but it just isn't happening at the moment.

He is definitely an upgrade on Monahan at this point. I can see Monahan being out of the league within three years unless there is some surgical procedure he can have done on his wrists again to fix the fact he can't shoot the puck anymore. He doesn't have the skating ability to be an energy guy, he can't be a net front presence guy because he is injury prone, and he is not fast or physical enough to be a shutdown type guy.

[imeubu]

The aura I find most destructive in chat rooms is “criticism”. Whether directed at the team or others in the chat space.

Please try to view what I say next as well intended even if to you it seems naïve. I already know I don't know. That's why I'm asking. I'm only seeking to better understand. Besides, I bruise like a peach.

Question: Why not trade for Claude Giroux (my choice as the best Center “for rent” presently available) or at least someone of that ilk right now to get them in the lineup asap? (Put Monahan on LTIR like Las Vegas is doing with Stone and Eichel to deal with the CAP). I know Trev doesn't "believe" in renting but like everything else sometimes we need to step outside our comfort zone.

Ideally (IMO) Monahan is part of the trade... but if not that's OK. Is this year not the best opportunity the Flames will likely have in the foreseeable future? Perhaps we should even consider “overpaying”. What's that you say? Yes be willing to overpay, (using primarily picks and prospects so as to not not upset current player culture by trading away someone's BFF) and just “go all in”?

I know that apparently Calgary is not one of the "top five" teams Giroux would consider. To me it seems simple. Get permission to talk to Giroux. Find out what he “really wants” and simply promise him that the Flames will do whatever is necessary to help him go wherever to make that happen for him next year in exchange for his help right now.

Would appreciate positive, informative and cooperative responses. Thanks.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Tweet not there, what was it?

It was a tweet from Steve Simmons claiming MAF told the Blackhawks that he does not want to be traded and Chicago was going to honor that request.

It since has been refuted by Chicago reporters and presumably Simmons deleted it after

https://twitter.com/user/status/1500290992427130881

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by imeubu

The aura I find most destructive in chat rooms is “criticism”. Whether directed at the team or others in the chat space.

Please try to view what I say next as well intended even if to you it seems naïve. I already know I don't know. That's why I'm asking. I'm only seeking to better understand. Besides, I bruise like a peach.

Question: Why not trade for Claude Giroux (my choice as the best Center “for rent” presently available) or at least someone of that ilk right now to get them in the lineup asap? (Put Monahan on LTIR like Las Vegas is doing with Stone and Eichel to deal with the CAP). I know Trev doesn't "believe" in renting but like everything else sometimes we need to step outside our comfort zone.

Ideally (IMO) Monahan is part of the trade... but if not that's OK. Is this year not the best opportunity the Flames will likely have in the foreseeable future? Perhaps we should even consider “overpaying”. What's that you say? Yes be willing to overpay, (using primarily picks and prospects so as to not not upset current player culture by trading away someone's BFF) and just “go all in”?

I know that apparently Calgary is not one of the "top five" teams Giroux would consider. To me it seems simple. Get permission to talk to Giroux. Find out what he “really wants” and simply promise him that the Flames will do whatever is necessary to help him go wherever to make that happen for him next year in exchange for his help right now.

Would appreciate positive, informative and cooperative responses. Thanks.

Yeah, you could ask for permission to talk to Giroux, and see if you can change his mind. But from what I've read, that seems unlikely.

There are a few challenges with trading for Giroux:

1) the fact that he has a very short list of where he is willing to go, is the top one
2) the cap constraints. A lot of salary has to go the other way, and just saying 'include Monahan' doesn't cut it - the other team has to agree to the trade
3) trading for a player now, instead of waiting until the deadline, means that they would be a bigger cap hit to the Flames, which makes it harder to acquire them.

there is virtually no chance they are getting Giroux, unfortunately.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by imeubu

The aura I find most destructive in chat rooms is “criticism”. Whether directed at the team or others in the chat space.

Please try to view what I say next as well intended even if to you it seems naïve. I already know I don't know. That's why I'm asking. I'm only seeking to better understand. Besides, I bruise like a peach.

Question: Why not trade for Claude Giroux (my choice as the best Center “for rent” presently available) or at least someone of that ilk right now to get them in the lineup asap? (Put Monahan on LTIR like Las Vegas is doing with Stone and Eichel to deal with the CAP). I know Trev doesn't "believe" in renting but like everything else sometimes we need to step outside our comfort zone.

Ideally (IMO) Monahan is part of the trade... but if not that's OK. Is this year not the best opportunity the Flames will likely have in the foreseeable future? Perhaps we should even consider “overpaying”. What's that you say? Yes be willing to overpay, (using primarily picks and prospects so as to not not upset current player culture by trading away someone's BFF) and just “go all in”?

I know that apparently Calgary is not one of the "top five" teams Giroux would consider. To me it seems simple. Get permission to talk to Giroux. Find out what he “really wants” and simply promise him that the Flames will do whatever is necessary to help him go wherever to make that happen for him next year in exchange for his help right now.

Would appreciate positive, informative and cooperative responses. Thanks.

Friedman said after the Toffoli trade that Calgary went after the best forward available to them.

He has said a couple times that Giroux was not an option for the Flames.

I am pretty sure the Flames checked in (either by backchannels or through the Flyers) on Giroux and were told that he wouldn't be coming.

[imeubu]

Re: Enoch Root offering - Points #2 and #3 I don't understand. I need to read up. Not that I haven't tried. Thanks

[Enoch Root]

regarding #2...

Teams cannot exceed the salary cap. The Flames have about $633,000 in cap space. Giroux's cap hit is $8,275,000. Therefore the Fames would have to send more than $7.5M back (i.e. Monahan and Dube, for example). Or they would need Philly to retain some of Giroux's salary.

Asking Philly to do either of those things would mean the Flames would have to add a lot more to the trade to convince Philly to do it (maybe a 1st and a 2nd, for example - maybe more)

And the other part of that is that Monahan is under contract for next year as well at $6.375M and maybe Philly wants no part of that, even if we offered 2 1st round picks (which we don't even have)

[Enoch Root]

regarding #3...

It is really difficult to explain, especially in a format like this. The (very) short answer is that the cap is calculated daily. And each day that you are under, you 'bank' space. And when you acquire a new player during the season, you only have to pay for the remaining days.

So in really simple terms, if you had $1M of cap space at the beginning of the year, and then waited until the season was half over, you could acquire a player with a 42M ca hit.

If you waited until the 3/4 mark of the season, you could acquire a player with a $4M cap hit. So the fewer days there are left in the season, the bigger the player cap hit is that you could acquire.

That is why teams wait until the deadline to acquire player - they can get more bang for their buck.

Hope that helps.