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Old 04-15-2025, 10:30 AM   #9401
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You're probably right. It's America. However, a full primary would have brought more ideas, more talking points and more people running. Maybe people not even considered. Did we ever consider Mark Carney until he actually ran?
Yes. Carney has been rumoured to be a potential successor to Trudeau for years now. If it was Karina Gould kicking PP's ass up and down Wellington St. right now, you'd have a point, but Carney was either the front runner or a close second as the heir apparent to the LPC for a long time. There was actually an argument that he should hold off for next time because it looked like it would be a waste of a viable PM candidate to run this time given the polling situation, until Trump started Trumping.
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We need to stop trying to give Americans the "if only" out. Tired of excusing their extreme stupidity and ignorance. Trump was winning against virtually anyone, cause Americans are indeed as stupid and ignorant as they appear. No other country would let a felon run, let alone win a major party nomination, never mind winning the actual election.
Indeed. Large swaths of important people in that country are looking at ways to get him elected for a third term. They believe he is the savior god-king.
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Old 04-15-2025, 10:57 AM   #9403
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Yes. Carney has been rumoured to be a potential successor to Trudeau for years now. If it was Karina Gould kicking PP's ass up and down Wellington St. right now, you'd have a point, but Carney was either the front runner or a close second as the heir apparent to the LPC for a long time. There was actually an argument that he should hold off for next time because it looked like it would be a waste of a viable PM candidate to run this time given the polling situation, until Trump started Trumping.
Yeah, Carney has been the Liberal heir apparent for a long time.

I do think Kamala was a bad choice and they should have gone elsewhere for the candidate, even if the primary needed to be very short.
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Old 04-15-2025, 11:51 AM   #9404
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We need to stop trying to give Americans the "if only" out. Tired of excusing their extreme stupidity and ignorance. Trump was winning against virtually anyone, cause Americans are indeed as stupid and ignorant as they appear. No other country would let a felon run, let alone win a major party nomination, never mind winning the actual election.
Trump is representative of USA, and is the dominant point of view of the populations of many states.

We need to stop saying he doesn't represent America, because he does. Even after the sh##show since he's elected, 41% of Americans view him favourably according to Quinnipac poll today. 48% favourable based on Rasmussen!

Think about it where we are.
- Trump has alienated almost all the US's allies
- He's taking actions that are crashing the future economic potential of hte US.
- He's openly talking of defying the constitution for a third term
- He is sending people to foreign prisons (essentially concentration camps) without due process
- He is now defying the supreme court rulings.

This is wild. But what is clear is that the USA is done as a global power. I don't think there is anyway the country can come back from this, even with new leadership. There will always be 48% of the country that want this.
Never mind another 3.5 years of this.

We are in the midst of a transition to a new world order where the US is not not in charge, and may not even have a voice at the table with other liberal democracies.
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The entire machine down there is pushing fascist disinformation. Therefore, I don’t trust or believe the polls. Especially Rasmussen.
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Where do I put money down on a 3rd Trump term?

From a recent Morning Consult poll
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Old 04-15-2025, 12:25 PM   #9407
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Where do I put money down on a 3rd Trump term?

From a recent Morning Consult poll
Those polls are pretty meaningless at this point. I'm sure Hillary was leading similar polls in 2027. The incumbent just gets a plurality due to name recognition.

I like Pete for 2028. It's time for someone smart and eloquent to take a shot at straightening things out.
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I do think Kamala was a bad choice and they should have gone elsewhere for the candidate, even if the primary needed to be very short.
I’m not sure the candidate matters, being up against a massive disinformation machine and a totally complicit MSM.
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Trump is representative of USA, and is the dominant point of view of the populations of many states.

We need to stop saying he doesn't represent America, because he does. Even after the sh##show since he's elected, 41% of Americans view him favourably according to Quinnipac poll today. 48% favourable based on Rasmussen!

Think about it where we are.
- Trump has alienated almost all the US's allies
- He's taking actions that are crashing the future economic potential of hte US.
- He's openly talking of defying the constitution for a third term
- He is sending people to foreign prisons (essentially concentration camps) without due process
- He is now defying the supreme court rulings.

This is wild. But what is clear is that the USA is done as a global power. I don't think there is anyway the country can come back from this, even with new leadership. There will always be 48% of the country that want this.
Never mind another 3.5 years of this.

We are in the midst of a transition to a new world order where the US is not not in charge, and may not even have a voice at the table with other liberal democracies.
Yup, they democratically did this:







Be better, America. I am disappoint.
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Those polls are pretty meaningless at this point. I'm sure Hillary was leading similar polls in 2027. The incumbent just gets a plurality due to name recognition.

I like Pete for 2028. It's time for someone smart and eloquent to take a shot at straightening things out.
Or back before running in 2016, Trump would never have polled that high for the Republicans this early. His candidacy was largely seen as a gimmick at the beginning and was brushed off by many in the same party.

I could see them latching on to a red state Democrat like Andy Beshear. He could help bridge the culture divide.
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Old 04-15-2025, 01:27 PM   #9411
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Old 04-15-2025, 01:31 PM   #9412
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Run Obama if Trump runs again.
They have some twisted logic that Trump is eligible because he had a gap between two terms, but Obama isn't.
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I like Pete for 2028. It's time for someone smart and eloquent to take a shot at straightening things out.
If Pete is the nominee, the Republicans are getting a third term.
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America won't vote in a gay man for at least another 25 years.
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America won't vote in a gay man for at least another 25 years.
Not only that, but the only voters he appeals to are middle-aged, centrist, decorum perverts.

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Colbert's "is potato" mocking the Russians a few years ago may be hitting a liiiitle close to home now.
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I think mulling over possible 2028 Dem candidates should probably wait until we get through 2026 and can confirm there will actually be fair elections. Now if there are fair elections in 2026 then not having AOC as the candidate in 2028 would be malpractice, which means that's what the Dems will do.
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I think mulling over possible 2028 Dem candidates should probably wait until we get through 2026 and can confirm there will actually be fair elections. Now if there are fair elections in 2026 then not having AOC as the candidate in 2028 would be malpractice, which means that's what the Dems will do.
Um...you're looking to appeal to mainstream/middle America and you think AOC is the choice? That's how you end up with Trump Jr getting elected.
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As you suggest, Carney galvanized the Liberals. Do we not think in a full primary someone couldn't have galvanized the Democrats.... against Trump! Could use the same arguments, THIS IS WHAT TRUMP IS GOING TO DO!

It's ironic that since Obama, an Obama-like figure can't make any headway in the Democratic party.
Harris predicted pretty much everything that Trump is doing. And there really was no better candidate. She was youthful appearing (but not young), experienced, articulate, had good policy messages and she creamed Trump in the debate. What could she do differently? Endorse Palestine more (and alienate Jews)? Reject Liz Cheney (and alienate centrists)?

Let's face it. Americans voted for Trump because he is racist, sexist and brash. In numbers big enough to make him president. And because the media down there just won't do their jobs.
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I think mulling over possible 2028 Dem candidates should probably wait until we get through 2026 and can confirm there will actually be fair elections. Now if there are fair elections in 2026 then not having AOC as the candidate in 2028 would be malpractice, which means that's what the Dems will do.
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Um...you're looking to appeal to mainstream/middle America and you think AOC is the choice? That's how you end up with Trump Jr getting elected.
Just pick the one people are getting excited about, don't worry about crafting the perfect plutonic ideal of a candidate to appeal to everyone, that's how they get into these messes.

AOC was overly aggressive in her rhetoric early on which offended some (I personally think she has toned it down without moderating, which i think is very politically savvy, and it was also probably politically savvy to be controversial early while brand building, so she might be the person).

Buttigieg might be the guy, but even if it looks like it will be him there will be worried about going to another white man (and not "representing" everyone), or going to a gay man and offending "middle" America

Newsom will create concern that they are just drifting back to another 60+ white man, and doubling down on a safe state. (57 now, he will be turning 61 shortly before the next election)

There is no right answer, but they just have to go with whoever is generating political buzz at the time and not worry about demographic so much.
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