Your belief about September, 11th, 2001

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

If it was a missile, no one would see it barreling through central Arlington?

Sure.

See it? Not likely. Certainly not well enough to identify it as a missile. (you'd see the exhaust) Hear it, yes, though you wouldn't hear it until it was heading away from you.

The reason it would be unlikely for someone to see is that you wouldn't hear it until it passed you, then once you had heard it looked around to find it, it would be far too far away to "see" it. Of course you could see the exhaust plume.

Anyway, it wasn't a missile. So not worth really talking about in this regard.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by valo403

I don't think any of that would make you a truther. To me that label applies when someone refuses to accept something as truthful until they see x ,y & z regardless of mountains of other evidence. It's putting the emphasis on a certain element as if it is the only plausible explanation, and frequently shifting that emphasis onto new things in order to constantly be able to pretend that proof doesn't exist.

A well balanced description of a 'truther,' something lacking in this thread. Well done, valo. Most of us here just wanted to see better video. That's all.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

A well balanced description of a 'truther,' something lacking in this thread. Well done, valo. Most of us here just wanted to see better video. That's all.

I think we'd all like to see more (well maybe not all, I still find it difficult to watch much of the footage, but find myself doing so anyways) out of a natural sense of curiosity. What happened that day is almost too much to comprehend, so I get the questioning and search for answers. Sometimes it's easier to go on with more questions than accept reality, I assume that's what drives some 'truther' types. With others I'm quite certain it's a complete lack of functioning brain cells.

[MoneyGuy]

Call me stupid, but I generaly believe the official account. Government officials may have had information that was not acted on, but that's as far as I'll go. There was no conspiracy.

[OilKiller]

Originally Posted by peter12

Or God's Invisible Finger.

So you're saying there is a God.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by valo403

I don't think any of that would make you a truther. To me that label applies when someone refuses to accept something as truthful until they see x ,y & z regardless of mountains of other evidence. It's putting the emphasis on a certain element as if it is the only plausible explanation, and frequently shifting that emphasis onto new things in order to constantly be able to pretend that proof doesn't exist.

Thank you valo, the response that should have been said a while ago.

Yours was a much more appropriate response than some other posters' psychologically narcissistic crap showing up in this thread.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

Call me stupid, but I generaly believe the official account. Government officials may have had information that was not acted on, but that's as far as I'll go. There was no conspiracy.

Completely, 100% agreed.

[SeeGeeWhy]

I can't imagine not trying to fight the hijackers once it looked like I was going to die anyways.

It seems surprising to me that only 1/4 of the planes was brought down by the people on the plane, and that 3/4 were able to hit their targets.

It would have been so awful to be on those flights.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by SeeGeeWhy

I can't imagine not trying to fight the hijackers once it looked like I was going to die anyways.

It seems surprising to me that only 1/4 of the planes was brought down by the people on the plane, and that 3/4 were able to hit their targets.

It would have been so awful to be on those flights.

Previous to this the vast majority of hijacking situations ended with the plane being landed, negotiations taking place, and passengers being released unharmed. The people on those flights didn't know they were being used as a missile.

[Ashartus]

Originally Posted by SeeGeeWhy

I can't imagine not trying to fight the hijackers once it looked like I was going to die anyways.

It seems surprising to me that only 1/4 of the planes was brought down by the people on the plane, and that 3/4 were able to hit their targets.

It would have been so awful to be on those flights.

But before 9-11 generally hijackers would make some demands then let the passengers go when their demands were met, so it was best to just play along. The concept of using planes this way was pretty alien to people. From what I've heard the only reason the 1 plane was brought down was because someone onboard called a family member during the hijacking and found out about what they were doing and mobilized the other passengers.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by SeeGeeWhy

I can't imagine not trying to fight the hijackers once it looked like I was going to die anyways.

It seems surprising to me that only 1/4 of the planes was brought down by the people on the plane, and that 3/4 were able to hit their targets.

It would have been so awful to be on those flights.

It would have been awefull to be on flight 93, they knew what was happening, on the other jets the passengers, while frightened in the abstract, if you will, had no idea they were just about to die. They wouldn't have been able to see foward just sideways and probably assumed they would land and be held hostage, their death would have been both instant and basically unexpected.

Its the poor #######s that had to jump to their deaths from the towers I can't handle, I can't even watch that footage.

[Knut]

Originally Posted by SeeGeeWhy

I can't imagine not trying to fight the hijackers once it looked like I was going to die anyways.

It seems surprising to me that only 1/4 of the planes was brought down by the people on the plane, and that 3/4 were able to hit their targets.

It would have been so awful to be on those flights.

I watched a documentary last night on what happened on Flight 11. I think it was all over too quick as they were seated in bussiness class and the the drapes were drawn. The attackers got into the cockpit before anyone could do anything and barricaded themselves in.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

It would have been awefull to be on flight 93, they knew what was happening, on the other jets the passengers, while frightened in the abstract, if you will, had no idea they were just about to die. They wouldn't have been able to see foward just sideways and probably assumed they would land and be held hostage, their death would have been both instant and basically unexpected.

Its the poor #######s that had to jump to their deaths from the towers I can't handle, I can't even watch that footage.

The one that just f's me up every time I hear it is the Gary Cosgrove call. 105th floor, trapped in the corner of the office, and you can hear the wind in the phone when he is pleading with the operator. The when he shouts "Oh God, oh!" as the building starts going down..... terrifying. Imagine a structure that huge collapsing around/underneath you......

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Hesla

I watched a documentary last night on what happened on Flight 11. I think it was all over too quick as they were seated in bussiness class and the the drapes were drawn. The attackers got into the cockpit before anyone could do anything and barricaded themselves in.

Not to mentioned filled the plane with pepper spray, made it pretty hard for anyone to do anything.

[longsuffering]

New theory on 9/11 Twin Towers collapse. (Sorry, no conspiracy here)

A mix of sprinkling system water and melted aluminum from aircraft hulls likely triggered the explosions that felled New York's Twin Towers on Sept. 11, 2001, a materials expert told a technology conference Wednesday.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/theory+...122/story.html

[VladtheImpaler]

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It's in the other thread too - maybe time to merge them...

[photon]

I saw this while browsing another forum as well, related to the videos and the Pentagon.

All the videos were released to someone who requested them under the FOIA, and in their words

http://penttbom.com/

i did receive the other videos. they were extremely disappointing after so many years of work. the FBI basically put a digial camera in front of a television and transferred that to the DVDs. the end result was that they had "satisfied" the original request.

i thought long about litigating further to have them go back and transfer the videos in decent quality, but what was actually recorded in the rest of the videos was really nothing of interest. many of the recordings were home videos that had nothing to do with the events - many of them well after 9/11 and completely irrelevant; i mean nothing.

i've been working on this project for so many years, and if there was anything on those videos that may have possibly shed further light on the event, i would have fought for the higher quality. it was all basically random stuff and shaky camera work revealing nothing. that may be hard to accept (my personal judgement) but you're going to have to trust me or hate me.

[speede5]

Originally Posted by photon

I saw this while browsing another forum as well, related to the videos and the Pentagon.

All the videos were released to someone who requested them under the FOIA, and in their words

http://penttbom.com/

I see they finally got to him too. They will stop at nothing to cover this up. Is anyone immune?

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by speede5

I see they finally got to him too. They will stop at nothing to cover this up. Is anyone immune?

He was a trojan horse right from the beginning - he was set up as a crusader for truth from the outset, and, what do you know, "discovered" that the truth was the government story all along. Very convenient.

[CaptainCrunch]

But wait . . . how do we know that those were all the videos



"Hey you down there, when you're done storing the Holy Grail and the Alien Corpses from Area 51, can you *snicker* grab all of the pentagon tapes from 9/11?

No I said Pentagon not Pentagram"