[Trade] Markstrom (31.25% retained) traded to NJ for 2025 1st (top 10 protected) and Bahl

[InternationalVillager]

David Pastrnak was picked #25 overall in the first round. He's been one of my favourite players since he came into the league because I loved watching the Bruins play with Bergeron.

I feel there are a lot of fans that just automatically reduce the chance of hitting on a later first round pick to 0.

NYR drafted Gabe Perreault last year at #23 which has been an absolute steal. Sometimes all you need to make a pick like that perhaps is to have another bullet in the chamber.

[TheIronMaiden]

A quick question.

Do the Flames really have 2 first in the next three drafts, or do the MTL trade conditions take one of those picks no matter what?

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

A quick question.

Do the Flames really have 2 first in the next three drafts, or do the MTL trade conditions take one of those picks no matter what?

Yes.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

A quick question.

Do the Flames really have 2 first in the next three drafts, or do the MTL trade conditions take one of those picks no matter what?

Here's the breakdown:

2024: Flames and Vancouver 1sts
2025: Flames/Panthers (one of them, probably Flames) and NJ pick (could kick to 2026)
2026: Flames and Vegas

So it's 6 accounting for the fact that a pick will transfer to Montreal

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

A quick question.

Do the Flames really have 2 first in the next three drafts, or do the MTL trade conditions take one of those picks no matter what?

the Flames have 7 picks in the next 3 rounds (theoretically), but one of them will go to Montreal, leaving them with 6

[hesh329]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I’m sure this has been posted already and discussed ad nauseam but I think this is a good trade as part of the bigger picture on the direction the flames are taking if they want to compete in the pacific division in a few years. Will be interesting to see if Anaheim and San Jose can turn it around too. Could have a stacked division in a few years. Don’t see Edmonton or Vancouver going anywhere. LA was much improved this season. And Vegas looks to have a few years left in their window.

I would bet they are planning to be a playoff team the year they have Vegas pick. Edmonton, Vancouver and LA should still be good; Anaheim and San Jose are trending up. Vegas might be getting old, Pieterangelo will be 36, Eichel will be about 30 and playing with neck surgery Stone's back won't be getting any better and Vegas won't have as may picks to trade to get rid of the bad contracts.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Here's the breakdown:

2024: Flames/Panthers (one of them, probably Flames) and Vancouver 1sts
2025: Flames and NJ pick (could kick to 2026)
2026: Flames and Vegas

So it's 6 accounting for the fact that a pick will transfer to Montreal

2025 is the Panthers/Flames that can land with Montreal.

WE have our own pick this year.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

2025 is the Panthers/Flames that can land with Montreal.

WE have our own pick this year.

Yes.

2024: Flames, Canucks
2025: Flames, Devils (could be 2026), Panthers (likely to MTL)
2026: Flames, Knights

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

2025 is the Panthers/Flames that can land with Montreal.

WE have our own pick this year.

oh yes. put it in the wrong year. Fixed.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

oh yes. put it in the wrong year. Fixed.

Think I read we have 15 totals picks in the first 3 rounds the next 3 drafts.

A stark contrast from Treliving when it felt like we kept spending and spending.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Think I read we have 15 totals picks in the first 3 rounds the next 3 drafts.

A stark contrast from Treliving when it felt like we kept spending and spending.

I get that Treliving bashing is a fun hobby these days, but lets not lose the plot here.

Teams that think they may win have less picks than teams that know they won't.

Conroy hasn't figured out the Cadbury secret here.

Argument on Treliving's assessment of winning is fair game though!

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I get that Treliving bashing is a fun hobby these days, but lets not lose the plot here.

Teams that think they may win have less picks than teams that know they won't.

Conroy hasn't figured out the Cadbury secret here.

Argument on Treliving's assessment of winning is fair game though!

I have hardly bashed Treliving, but I have always said he wasted draft picks on dumb trades.

His first ever trade was throwing away a 3rd round pick for a 4th line plugger.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I get that Treliving bashing is a fun hobby these days, but lets not lose the plot here.

Teams that think they may win have less picks than teams that know they won't.

Conroy hasn't figured out the Cadbury secret here.

Argument on Treliving's assessment of winning is fair game though!

Exactly.

Conroy has had the easy part of front of him. Selling established players for assets is, I’d argue, easier than building. Everything looks great now. You can go to cap friendly, for the next couple weeks, and see a pretty full draft table. Looks awesome. Truthfully though, only a handful of those picks will turn out to be everyday NHLers let alone stars or better.

This isn’t to sell Conroy short, I think he’s done an admirable job. He’s dinner needed to be done and got the ship pointed in the right direction. That said, I think the hard work is in front of him.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Anyone thinking the Flames are ever getting a 1st for taking a bad contract are dreaming . Teams have seen the disaster of those deals in the past and are finding different and better ways to work around contracts .

You may get a sweetener but it won’t be a 1st

Unless we are trading with Treliving, he has a history...Montreal made off like bandits with taking and unloading Monahan.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I get that Treliving bashing is a fun hobby these days, but lets not lose the plot here.

Teams that think they may win have less picks than teams that know they won't.

Conroy hasn't figured out the Cadbury secret here.

Argument on Treliving's assessment of winning is fair game though!

Also worth noting that a lot of those picks have been acquired via players Tree signed, including ones that at the time, were criticized as risky long-term signings.

Tanev and Markstrom being the shining examples. Signed the same off-season with valid concerns about how those deals would age. Both aged well to the point valuable assets were acquired near the end.

Lindholm also a Tree acqusition. The dividends of that trade continue to pay off.

Zadorov another signing - got them a good player for a few seasons and assets at the end.

[dammage79]

The Dougie Hamilton trade tree has so many branches now it's funny.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Also worth noting that a lot of those picks have been acquired via players Tree signed, including ones that at the time, were criticized as risky long-term signings.

Tanev and Markstrom being the shining examples. Signed the same off-season with valid concerns about how those deals would age. Both aged well to the point valuable assets were acquired near the end.

Lindholm also a Tree acqusition. The dividends of that trade continue to pay off.

Zadorov another signing - got them a good player for a few seasons and assets at the end.

The Lindholm and Hanifin trade tree includes sending out a 1st and 2 2nds. It was still a good trade.

Zadorov also cost a draft pick.

Only players Conroy traded that didn't involve Treliving sending out picks Markstrom and Tanev.

But I was more talking about sending out picks on wasteful things like Fattenburg or a Ryan Carpenter. Even Lazar was a useless trade. None of those are win now trades that required us to send out draft picks.

Jarnkrok was also another example, but I blame Sutter for misusing the player than the trade.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Zadorov also cost a draft pick.

Zadorov was signed as an unrestricted free agent after the trade. It's arguable that he wouldn't have signed with the Flames for another contract though if he wasn't first acquired in a trade.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Zadorov was signed as an unrestricted free agent after the trade. It's arguable that he wouldn't have signed with the Flames for another contract though if he wasn't first acquired in a trade.

So he wasn't free, he cost a draft pick right?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

So he wasn't free, he cost a draft pick right?

There were two separate acquisitions. The first time we acquired him, it cost a draft pick. The second time was an unrestricted free agency signing, so it technically did not cost a pick. You can argue that picking him up in a trade the first time created goodwill between the Flames and Zadorov that made him agreeable to re-sign. He did apparently test the market though and then circled back.

It's like when Tanguay signed with the Flames as a free agent, just with less time in between. Playing for the team previously probably helped.