Ongoing Residential Schools Tragedy Discussion

[troutman]

Langdon, Alta. man charged in arsons on Siksika First Nation
https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/langdon-a...tion-1.5494606

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by troutman

Calgary church considers leaving vandalism untouched to acknowledge residential school system
https://globalnews.ca/news/7999297/c...medium=twitter

Make this dude the new Pope.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Make this dude the new Pope.

Important detail from the story: it's not a Catholic church.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Important detail from the story: it's not a Catholic church.

I stand by my statement.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by troutman

Langdon, Alta. man charged in arsons on Siksika First Nation
https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/langdon-a...tion-1.5494606

Wow, what a dirt bag. Throw the book at him.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

I'm pretty sure you can be in favour of real reconciliation with Indigenous People and also be opposed to the violent destruction of property.

I would think most people would be opposed to both racism and violence.

That's just him and his typical holier-than-thou complex of BS he appears to live by.

Context doesn't exist for the narrow mindedness folks.

[undercoverbrother]

Ah boys you do yourselves no favours

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...ng-persecuted/

Archbishop Gagnon is the president of the Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops, and the archbishop of Winnipeg. He said that in his role he is getting “bombarded a lot,” and that in dealing with the media, he’s noticing “a lot of blame, a lot of accusations, a lot of exaggerations, a lot of false ideas.”

“And so I say in my heart,” he said. “You know something? There’s a persecution happening here. There’s a persecution happening here.”

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Ah boys you do yourselves no favours

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...ng-persecuted/

Unreal. Maybe try living up to your promises? That's not persecution, it's called being held accountable.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The peculiar demographics of this forum are showing again. 8 per cent of Canadian are atheist, and 5 per cent agnostic. Surely people who subscribe to an outlook shared by such a small portion of the population should be grateful we live in a tolerant, pluralistic society.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...ion-in-canada/

Anyone who doesnt go to church or pray is at least an agnostic, and my guess is thats into 60% in Canada, telling a researcher that you self identify as Anglican or Catholic because that is your families traditional faith and your Granny used to go to church does not make you a person of faith, it makes you a person of a faith based heritage, a culture if you will.

If you are truly a person of faith you believe your soul is damned for eternity if you dont worship and live rightously, if you believe this you aint slacking off going fishing or picking up some over time

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

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If you are truly a person of faith you believe your soul is damned for eternity if you dont worship and live rightously

This probably isn't the right place for this discussion, but basically no Christian church teaches the quoted. "Dammed for eternity" is avoided through forgiveness, not earned through righteousness.

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The peculiar demographics of this forum are showing again. ...

Not sure if "demographics" is the right term. There are roughly 20,000 registered users of CP, of which 3,649 people post more or less regularly, which is approx. 18% of the total. Of those actively posting, about 30-40 posters actively and consistently participate in all off-topic threads related to political and social issues. This is 0.2% of the total forum population. Vocal and loud - yes, but not representative of anything statistically significant, really.

[FlamesAddiction]

I am kind of curious, but is any of this making international news? It seems like Canada gets a lot of free passes on things.

I would expect China, Russia, and Iran to be eating it up anyway. Of course, Russia's treatment of indigenous peoples wasn't great either, just read about their encounters with the Yupik whom they tried to wipe out and then enslaved. As a side note, the Yupik are very interesting people and their traditional territory is in modern day Siberia, Alaska, and Yukon. I think they are the only nation that spans North America and Asia.

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Anyone who doesnt go to church or pray is at least an agnostic, and my guess is thats into 60% in Canada…,

There are many theists who don’t attend church and don’t pray.

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I am kind of curious, but is any of this making international news? It seems like Canada gets a lot of free passes on things.

My family in Ireland were saying it's been getting coverage there, likely in no small part because there is so much similar with church run school atrocities in Ireland as well.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by transplant99

That's just him and his typical holier-than-thou complex of BS he appears to live by.

Context doesn't exist for the narrow mindedness folks.

Some of you attempt some of the most unintentionally funny, random word-salad personal attacks.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The peculiar demographics of this forum are showing again. 8 per cent of Canadian are atheist, and 5 per cent agnostic. Surely people who subscribe to an outlook shared by such a small portion of the population should be grateful we live in a tolerant, pluralistic society.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...ion-in-canada/

This doesn't really capture the fact that an increasing percentage of young people in Canada don't believe in a deity of any sort. Religiosity is dropping, belief is dropping.

[2ArmBands]

This whole situation has really brought a lot of things in perspective. What I find most interesting is how many people had no knowledge of what happened in residential schools and the atrocities that happened. From my own childhood experience in school I was taught about the mistakes and negligence in residential schools. Obviously, the findings of bodies bring everything to a forefront but I find it incredibly odd how many average Canadians are completely shocked by the developments.

Mind you I don’t necessarily blame anyone. I think this is an opportunity for Canadians to take time to fully understand First Nations history both pre and post European contact. There is a lot to be learned by anyone that calls themselves Canadian.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by 2ArmBands

This whole situation has really brought a lot of things in perspective. What I find most interesting is how many people had no knowledge of what happened in residential schools and the atrocities that happened. From my own childhood experience in school I was taught about the mistakes and negligence in residential schools. Obviously, the findings of bodies bring everything to a forefront but I find it incredibly odd how many average Canadians are completely shocked by the developments.

Mind you I don’t necessarily blame anyone. I think this is an opportunity for Canadians to take time to fully understand First Nations history both pre and post European contact. There is a lot to be learned by anyone that calls themselves Canadian.

I have been talking to one of my old friends about all this. He is Ojibwe and from the reserve next to the town I mostly grew up in (same town that Charlie Wenjack was from in fact). I mentioned to him that I wished I knew more about what happened especially considering that it went on right under our noses. He said "me too actually".

I think there was a lot of suffering in silence and putting things in the vault for a lot of families.

[kn]

I learned a lot by reading this article summarizing Macdonald's handling of the "Indian Question":
https://nationalpost-com.cdn.ampproj...ebb938ff8/amp/

This was clearly an Ottawa that had no time for the rights and culture of what they would have called “savage” nations. Even in that context, over his career Macdonald would pursue an Indigenous policy so draconian that even his contemporaries would come to accuse him of going beyond the pale.

“Macdonald basically had Indigenous people locked down so tightly that they became irrelevant after 1885,” said James Daschuk, the author of the bestseller Clearing the Plains, from which many of the primary sources quoted in this article were obtained.

When Macdonald took office for the second and last time in 1878, the plains were in the grip of what is still one of the worst human disasters in Canadian history.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by kn

I learned a lot by reading this article summarizing Macdonald's handling of the "Indian Question":
https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showth...183597&page=47

The link you posted just goes to this page. I'd be interested in reading the whole article - could you re-post?