[PGT] Avs 3 Flames 2 on the brink

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Like I just said to the last poster about this topic, it’s not about Alzner the player. It’s about his much more palatable contract. $1 million less annually and 3 years instead of 4. Try him out for a few months, if he doesn’t work out, send him to the farm and buyout his remaining 2 years.

If the Canadiens take Neal for Alzner you jump at that right away. Absolutely. His deal comes of the books faster and you can bury almost half of it if need be. I just think the Flames have to pay Montreal to do that. Neal and a pick etc.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Who is going to trade you upgrades on Gaudreau and Monahan without getting older or getting futures in return.

Well, Tampa just got spanked worse than we did and are probably looking at making some changes. Florida might be looking to shake things up with their core. Philly another prime target who are loaded with young players, and there’s a connection there with Johnny.

You certainly don’t have to get hosed down for mediocre assets when a star player’s involved. Just last season we saw a major shakeup that benefitted the Canes and the Flames. Look for more of those situations.

[Caged Great]

What I'd like to see moving forward

Gaudreau-Monahan-Bennett
Tkachuk-Backlund-Lindholm
Mangiapane-Ryan-Hathaway
Czarnik-Jankowski-Dube

Sit Frolik and Neal. If we had another fast player sitting in the press box I'd throw them in and take Janko out.

[djsFlames]

Gaudreau - Ryan - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Backlund - Czarnik
Bennett - Monahan - Frolik
Bread - Dube - Hathaway

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Toonage

If the Canadiens take Neal for Alzner you jump at that right away. Absolutely. His deal comes of the books faster and you can bury almost half of it if need be. I just think the Flames have to pay Montreal to do that. Neal and a pick etc.

Yeah, Montreal is not a team that I see wanting to take a massive gamble on more dead cap space.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Toonage

If the Canadiens take Neal for Alzner you jump at that right away. Absolutely. His deal comes of the books faster and you can bury almost half of it if need be. I just think the Flames have to pay Montreal to do that. Neal and a pick etc.

I’m not so sure about that. Montreal is paying Alzner to play in Laval whereas Neal has had a history of producing. Montreal did alright with Tatar, maybe they’ll be ok with another reclamation project. They do have a lot of young wingers who can hold on to the puck and feed him in the slot. At worst, maybe they’ll want a late pick, either way, wouldn’t bother me.



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[SportsJunky]

Lol at the posters saying Peters is getting out-coached. Calgary led late in 2 of the last 3 losses. Could very well be up 3-1. Peters has coached this team well all year. It’s sports. Someone has to lose.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

Lol at the posters saying Peters is getting out-coached. Calgary led late in 2 of the last 3 losses. Could very well be up 3-1. Peters has coached this team well all year. It’s sports. Someone has to lose.

Yes they led, but was the game 3 game plan to give up 56 shots and ask the goalie to stand on his head? Lol at your post, too.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Yes they led, but was the game 3 game plan to give up 56 shots and ask the goalie to stand on his head? Lol at your post, too.

And another 50 shots in Game 4?

This cannot happen.

Bednar has done a masterful job of scouting the Flames and preparing his team.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

Lol at the posters saying Peters is getting out-coached. Calgary led late in 2 of the last 3 losses. Could very well be up 3-1. Peters has coached this team well all year. It’s sports. Someone has to lose.

He has been outcoached though. Our 1st line, 3rd line, 2nd D pair have all been absolute liabilities out there and he's done nothing to rectify that even though he has a plethora of options at his disposal.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

This just smells like horse#### to me. It just doesn't make any sense. The package from the flames is more than twice as valuable as the package they accepted from the knights? Why would the price be THAT much higher for Calgary? If that WAS the price, then how come the Flames were in on Stone for so long? Maloney basically said they thought they were getting stone when they went to sleep the night before the deadline and then the deal fell apart.

Also the tax claim is BS as well as far as I know. This is Burke carrying water for the organization. I've heard it from too many accountants and business managers that Canada and especially Alberta is as competitive as any other jurisdiction for professional hockey players. Conversely, I've never had someone explain to me why they would pay more taxes in Canada other than pointing at the marginal tax rate which doesn't necessarily apply to the players in the first place. It's all over the place with regards to deferred income in canada, residency, the time of year payments are received etc etc.

Alberta is still just as attractive as any jurisdiction in the NHL to play hockey.

It only took a couple of hours for Stone's contract to come together because he and his management team had been looking towards that moment all year. All the scenarios were prepped and basically everyone involved between Ottawa, Vegas and Calgary knew what he'd be looking for and what his market rate would be.

There just really isn't that kind of price premium to play in Canada/Alberta or you'd see the Canadian teams bottoming out like they did pre-lockout because they couldn't compete.

IMO, they knew they needed to add, and because they didn't they now have to save face about it. Lo' and behold we're probably seeing why right now.

It just doesn't make any sense that Treliving would be in on Stone for Rasmus Valimaki +1st until the 11th hour and then just walk away because Vegas offered a significantly less valuable package.

The only way Ottawa was asking for Valimaki + Rasmus + 1st is if CALGARY was sending back bad money in order to SIGN Stone.

Nevada has a 8.25 percent sales tax. Alberta has no sales tax. Even with the gst Alberta has a 3.25 percent sales tax advantage. According to online tax calculators if you did absolutely nothing to tax shelter your money, at 9.5 million you would end up with the following take home pay

Nevada - 5.8 million dollars
Calgary - 5 million dollars

If stone spent all of his 5.8 million in Nevada he would end up pay an additional 188,500 in sales taxes compared to Alberta.

Property taxes in Vegas are almost triple what they are in Calgary, so that adds another 18K or so on a 3 million dollar house.

I guess it is possible that the extra 600k take home makes a big difference I guess fine, but I suspect it is bull####. And when you take into account higher sales taxes and property taxes it is closer to about 10.7 million to have the same take home.

Throw on the 1.45 percent Medicare tax on all income, which I missed and you can add another 137,500 in taxes, taking the spread down to under 500k. I doubt he is making many decisions based on 480k but maybe.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

And another 50 shots in Game 4?

This cannot happen.

Bednar has done a masterful job of scouting the Flames and preparing his team.

If by masterful you meaning playing Mackinnon every other shift, then yeah. Masterful

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

If by masterful you meaning playing Mackinnon every other shift, then yeah. Masterful

His other lines have been going as well. Cripes names I have never heard of before are pounding our guys and getting scoring chances.

And this supposedly terrible Av defense looks pretty damn good.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

If by masterful you meaning playing Mackinnon every other shift, then yeah. Masterful

Flames aren’t exactly winning games based on the 35 minutes he is not playing

First line of the Flames is completely neutralized

JT Compher, whoever that is, looks dangerous

There is more to Colorado winning than MacKinnon playing a lot

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Nevada has a 8.25 percent sales tax. Alberta has no sales tax. Even with the gst Alberta has a 3.25 percent sales tax advantage. According to online tax calculators if you did absolutely nothing to tax shelter your money, at 9.5 million you would end up with the following take home pay

Nevada - 5.8 million dollars
Calgary - 5 million dollars

If stone spent all of his 5.8 million in Nevada he would end up pay an additional 188,500 in sales taxes compared to Alberta.

Property taxes in Vegas are almost triple what they are in Calgary, so that adds another 18K or so on a 3 million dollar house.

I guess it is possible that the extra 600k take home makes a big difference I guess fine, but I suspect it is bull####. And when you take into account higher sales taxes and property taxes it is closer to about 10.7 million to have the same take home.

Throw on the 1.45 percent Medicare tax on all income, which I missed and you can add another 137,500 in taxes, taking the spread down to under 500k. I doubt he is making many decisions based on 480k but maybe.

You doubt a half million extra take home per year affects his decision?

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Yes they led.

There we go.

[Azhouse]

I don't come to CP often during the playoffs unless they win (so I don't come here often in the playoffs). I pulled out my car flag that was purchased in the latter part of the 04 run. I only ever pull it out once I see a bit of playoff success. It's in pristine condition and it looks like I'll have to leave it my will for the kids LOL. Go Flames Go.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

There we go.

Only because of Smith.

[AC]

https://www.capfriendly.com/post_tax_calculator

[Azure]

I'm sure a lot of Capital fans wanted to blow up the core every year when they lost. They kept it together and eventually won.

I don't think the core needs to be blown up. I think you have a lot of guys who were not prepared for the playoffs, and I think you have a burnt out James Neal who is playing without any passion.

I think some guys need to be sat. I'm not sure who specifically but it is clear some guys don't have their heads screwed on properly. I also think Brodie is dragging Gio down, and has single handily been responsible for 2 huge Colorado moments in games that killed anything we had going. He is killing offensive chances, routinely gets caught in the D zone defending for LONG shifts, and allows Mckinnon to generate excitement since Mckinnon is playing on his side. For someone whose game is entirely centered around skating he has been absolutely terrible in carrying the puck or helping the transition game. Just an absolutely brutal effort from someone counted on to play top minutes against the top guy on the other team who lines up on his side.