Francis: Treliving filled with disappointment, anger after team's collapse - Page 47 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

nik- · 04-13-2018, 05:24 PM

Well, I think we can all agree on one thing.

It's time to shut the site down. It's the only rational solution.

Bingo · 04-13-2018, 05:29 PM

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Well, I think we can all agree on one thing.

It's time to shut the site down. It's the only rational solution.

And lose my fan infiltrator cheque from the Flames? No way man.

nik- · 04-13-2018, 05:31 PM

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And lose my fan infiltrator cheque from the Flames? No way man.

My suspicions are confirmed.

Reaper · 04-13-2018, 05:37 PM

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I'm not a guy hitting F5 on a web site and not watching the games.

BOOM. Roasted.

Moneyhands23 · 04-13-2018, 05:40 PM

Isnt it bad enough that GG wasnt fired today...Shesh you 2 ^^

Bingo · 04-13-2018, 05:46 PM

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My suspicions are confirmed.

I think you mean ridiculed not confirmed.

nik- · 04-13-2018, 05:52 PM

Who knows if I'll ever recover from the intense psychological damage.

Bingo · 04-13-2018, 05:54 PM

Dude, you made quite the accusation.

You can continue to swirl in your own smugness or own it. Up to you I guess. Looks to me like you've chosen your path.

nik- · 04-13-2018, 05:56 PM

No one died. We're all ok.

Bingo · 04-13-2018, 05:57 PM

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No one died. We're all ok.

Good plan.

Find another level of condescending.

But you're right no loss of life, loss of respect for sure, but no loss of life.

Mr.Coffee · 04-13-2018, 08:05 PM

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Good plan.

Find another level of condescending.

But you're right no loss of life, loss of respect for sure, but no loss of life.

To be fair, loss of life would be pretty intense. Even for Calgarypuck.

GullFoss · 04-13-2018, 08:05 PM

can someone link to Nik's post that is being referred to here?

Mr.Coffee · 04-13-2018, 08:09 PM

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If Gulutzman had been fired around Xmas, you'd have half a season with him and a half season without to use for a meaningful 'deep dive' that would actually compare success to failure, or failure to a different kind of failure, or whatever. Since that didn't happen, the only metric you need to consider insofar as keeping him or not is called "points", and they indicate he should go.

Further, you can replace the coach AND move players. You don't even have to do it all at the same time, you can start looking for a new coach right now and trade players in June, or July, or August - after you've consulted your new coach on what kind of players he wants on his team. If procrastinating is your process, your process is wrong.

Time has value, and it's better to make a sub-optimal decision quickly than the optimal decision when it's too late. There are 30 other GMs competing for the same resources you want, so if you can't make decent decisions on the basis of incomplete information, the guys who can are going to crush you.

So either fire the coach in the next week, or keep him for next season, but the worst decision you could possibly make is to keep him around (like Hartley) into May. If you don't already know if he's a problem - you're also a problem.

Wow, great post. Very eloquently stated and could not agree more. I tried to say something similar a day or two ago but it was a meatball ham fisted attempt at the English language.

Bingo · 04-13-2018, 08:42 PM

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To be fair, loss of life would be pretty intense. Even for Calgarypuck.

Absolutely, was just using his "no one died, we are fine" line.

cannon7 · 04-13-2018, 08:48 PM

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I see only three suggestions by Bingo:

Another poster provided option D.

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There has been conjecture for weeks that that the GM would make a change behind the bench, and Elliotte Friedman has reported a few times now that it is under consideration. On the contrary, there has been virtually NO speculation on Treliving's future. I think if there was actually some appetite for replacing the GM, there would be some discussion in the media.

How well connected Friedman is or is not is dubious at best at this point. The case could certainly be made that he used to be in those circles, but not so sure these days. Regardless, media speculation is pretty meaningless considering the state of hockey journalism today. They're blindsided all the time. Why should it be assumed they won't be this time?

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Fine. But you are still making this conversation up from thin air, and in a vacuum of any actual evidence.

Unless you're willing to disclose your credentials: so are you.

Dajazz · 04-13-2018, 10:29 PM

I don't buy the improved play 5 on 5 for One. Single. Second. Every single D-man except Dougie has had decreasing point totals under Glen Gulutzan. Everyone. And we're talking -20% to -70% production here.

Yes, I get it. Tonnes of shots, slow puck movement and few odd man rushes leads to LOW SHOOTING PERCENTAGE and HIGH POSSESSION NUMBERS so the Corsi Crew blames the players, because we can't just take it at face value right - the coach is coaching this team in a wrong way. Of course the Gaudreaus, Monahans and the Tkachuks can still score - they are talented enough to "survive" in such a system. Backlund, Frolik, Bennett etc can not.

Now I'll be the first to admit we need scoring in the top nine, preferrably a R-shot, but this team is going nowhere with GG.

Defending Gulutzan with secondary stats is pretty much polishing a turd. It's like defending Trump by saying well at least the stock market is looking strong, or using any kind misleading narrative. It's not there. It never was - the secondary stats are what they are because the team plays a certain way, not because they are actually playing well, because they aren't.

Roof-Daddy · 04-13-2018, 10:40 PM

Pretty compelling arguments from both sides I gotta say. I'm pretty torn.

All I know is if Gulutzan stays and this team doesn't move forward, and/or we start seeing some stupid "Marc Savard-esque" trades in an attempt to fix this mess I am ####ing out for a while.

I'm literally at the point where I almost get no enjoyment from following this team anymore.

Not only do I have to watch a stupid expansion team play in the NHL playoffs instead of the Flames, but I can't even look forward to the entry draft this year.

direwolf · 04-13-2018, 10:48 PM

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Not only do I have to watch a stupid expansion team play in the NHL playoffs instead of the Flames, but I can't even look forward to the entry draft this year.

I hear ya. The Knights are a fun team to watch, but their instant success annoys the hell out of me. Especially since it feels like we've been waiting an eternity for the Flames to ice a competitive playoff-caliber team. It just feels really unfair. I'm extremely jealous of that team right now.

DeluxeMoustache · 04-13-2018, 11:19 PM

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I hear ya. The Knights are a fun team to watch, but their instant success annoys the hell out of me. Especially since it feels like we've been waiting an eternity for the Flames to ice a competitive playoff-caliber team. It just feels really unfair. I'm extremely jealous of that team right now.

They have a good coach, good GM, and balanced roster.

Flames have an entry level GM, fingers crossed coaching decision that is being given a second and maybe last opportunity rather than reflecting a threat to the GM, and a roster with reclamation projects to lead the youngsters.

Good on them for getting it right the first time