2011 NFL Playoffs Thread

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by Sowa

Hopefully none of Cutler's douchiness rubs off on Jordan.

By the way I didn't see it mentioned here, but the cancer patient everyone claims was snubbed by Rodgers came to his defense and said that Rodgers had given her autographs before including a week before the incident and she understood that they don't always have time or the desire to give out autographs.

Yeah, Cutler is full of douchiness . I like how a player is an ass when he wants traded because his coach tried to trade him without his knowing. To me McDaniels is the idiot, and his firing supports that. Otherwise, he is known for having a great attitude in the dressing room and all his team mates like and respect him.

Also, while people have stated in the thread already as blown out of proportion news, you can call Cutler 'douchie' while defending Rodgers blowing off a cancer survivor. Good judge of character.

[moon]

Originally Posted by DropIt

you can call Cutler 'douchie' while defending Rodgers blowing off a cancer survivor. Good judge of character.

So the fact that the whole incident was explained and shown to be nothing more than BS means nothing to you?

[flames_1987]

Originally Posted by DropIt

Yeah, Cutler is full of douchiness . I like how a player is an ass when he wants traded because his coach tried to trade him without his knowing. To me McDaniels is the idiot, and his firing supports that. Otherwise, he is known for having a great attitude in the dressing room and all his team mates like and respect him.

Also, while people have stated in the thread already as blown out of proportion news, you can call Cutler 'douchie' while defending Rodgers blowing off a cancer survivor. Good judge of character.

As Moon stated the Rodgers thing has been explained and he actually came out of the story looking like an even stronger character. Don't go throwing around titles like that without knowing the story at all.

As for Jay Cutler....he is known for having a great attitude in the dressing room and all his team mates like and respect him? If this wasn't coming from a Bears fan I'd assume someone was being sarcastic or the statement is just full of irony. I think his attitude has improved since he came to Chicago, a lot of his team mates have talked up his attitude this season, but he is hardly known for having a "great attitude" and all his team mates like him.

"Once, in his rookie year in Denver, 45 minutes before a game, surefire Hall of Fame safety John Lynch was trying to explain something to Cutler about NFL pass coverage. Except Cutler wasn't looking at Lynch. He was texting.

"Man, I'm trying to talk to you!" Lynch protested.

Didn't help. Cutler was all thumbs, head down. Finally, Lynch slapped the phone out of Cutler's hands, smashing it to the floor."

One time, Broncos coach Mike Shanahan thought it would be helpful for Cutler and Broncos legend John Elway to have lunch. Let Cutler drink in some of Elway's experience.

The three of them sat down at a Denver steak joint. Elway, polite as ever, tried to impart some wisdom. Except Cutler wasn't looking at Elway. He wasn't looking at Shanahan, either. He was looking at the TV. The whole time. With his baseball cap on backward. All the way through dessert. Elway did not leave impressed.

[moon]

Originally Posted by flames_1987

"Once, in his rookie year in Denver, 45 minutes before a game, surefire Hall of Fame safety John Lynch was trying to explain something to Cutler about NFL pass coverage. Except Cutler wasn't looking at Lynch. He was texting.

"Man, I'm trying to talk to you!" Lynch protested.

Didn't help. Cutler was all thumbs, head down. Finally, Lynch slapped the phone out of Cutler's hands, smashing it to the floor."

Not to defend Culter but doesn't that story show that Lynch is a dick and not Cutler?

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by moon

Not to defend Culter but doesn't that story show that Lynch is a dick and not Cutler?

I think when you're a rookie or close to it and a sure fire hall of fame player is trying to help you out, you listen, even if you don't want to, show some respect.

[moon]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

I think when you're a rookie or close to it and a sure fire hall of fame player is trying to help you out, you listen, even if you don't want to, show some respect.

I think that if you are anyone, even a veteran and possible HOFer, you don't slap someone's cell phone out of their hands just because they aren't showing you "respect."

It seems like shaking your head and walking away would have been the reaction of 99% of mature adults.

[flames_1987]

Originally Posted by moon

I think that if you are anyone, even a veteran and possible HOFer, you don't slap someone's cell phone out of their hands just because they aren't showing you "respect."

It seems like shaking your head and walking away would have been the reaction of 99% of mature adults.

We are talking about 45 minutes before a game though and your starting rookie Quarterback who will have more influence on the game then anyone else.

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by moon

So the fact that the whole incident was explained and shown to be nothing more than BS means nothing to you?

If you go back and read just before what you cut off to quote, I said "A situation that was blown out of proportion".

I don't think its a big deal at all, and if you look back in the thread, I brought up and defended Rodgers on the subject.

All I was pointing out is that in the same post he both first hand stood up for a player who blew off a fan and quite publicly, while calling someone else a ###### after an article about him being a stand up person. Seems pretty hypocritical

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

I think when you're a rookie or close to it and a sure fire hall of fame player is trying to help you out, you listen, even if you don't want to, show some respect.

If I was a starting quarterback and a safety was trying to tell me how to play my position 45 minutes before a game, I'd blow him off too. Hall of Fame defensive player or not, 2 very different views from either side of the ball.

[flames_1987]

Originally Posted by DropIt

If I was a starting quarterback and a safety was trying to tell me how to play my position 45 minutes before a game, I'd blow him off too. Hall of Fame defensive player or not, 2 very different views from either side of the ball.

How to play his position? If you read the actual story, Lynch is not telling him how to throw a spiral but about "NFL coverages." How in the world is that telling Cutler to play his position? Did you actually turn a hall of fame defensive back talking about NFL coverages to a rookie quarterback into telling him to play his position? You don't think it's common for someone like Charles Woodson to tell Arron Rodgers about tendencies or something he's notice about particular defensives or Kipprusoff to tell players about opposition goaltenders tendencies or tactics used?

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by flames_1987

How to play his position? If you read the actual story, Lynch is not telling him how to throw a spiral but about "NFL coverages." How in the world is that telling Cutler to play his position? Did you actually turn a hall of fame defensive back talking about NFL coverages to a rookie quarterback into telling him to play his position? You don't think it's common for someone like Charles Woodson to tell Arron Rodgers about tendencies or something he's notice about particular defensives or Kipprusoff to tell players about opposition goaltenders tendencies or tactics used?

I would bet its extremely common.

But do you not think its also common that less then an hour before kickoff, that maybe he wants to keep to himself? Players prepare in different ways and having some guy chirping in your ear may do more bad than good. If Lynch tells him something, maybe he starts to get tunnel vision waiting for a cornerback to bite or turn his hips the wrong way, or whatever. Point is, maybe he is ignoring Lynch because he doesn't want to hear him or let him get in his head.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by DropIt

I would bet its extremely common.

But do you not think its also common that less then an hour before kickoff, that maybe he wants to keep to himself? Players prepare in different ways and having some guy chirping in your ear may do more bad than good. If Lynch tells him something, maybe he starts to get tunnel vision waiting for a cornerback to bite or turn his hips the wrong way, or whatever. Point is, maybe he is ignoring Lynch because he doesn't want to hear him or let him get in his head.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=6017986

And there's a better way to go about it then ignoring the guy. For instance if it was me, I would say "Hey John I appreciate your advice but I really need this time to myself. Thanks."

[flames_1987]

Originally Posted by DropIt

I would bet its extremely common.

But do you not think its also common that less then an hour before kickoff, that maybe he wants to keep to himself? Players prepare in different ways and having some guy chirping in your ear may do more bad than good. If Lynch tells him something, maybe he starts to get tunnel vision waiting for a cornerback to bite or turn his hips the wrong way, or whatever. Point is, maybe he is ignoring Lynch because he doesn't want to hear him or let him get in his head.

Your argument is coming from such a bias prospective and point of view that it's hard to take it seriously. Number one, the first and most obvious thing that if somehow you were such a vulnerable and easy to knock Quarterback that taking a piece of advice could somehow impact you in a negative way is laughable but to straight up ignore and not even respond to one of the leader on the teams, a hall of fame safety, is another. Not conveying your message by texting away on your phone, not even taking a second to acknowledge him.

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by flames_1987

Your argument is coming from such a bias prospective and point of view that it's hard to take it seriously. Number one, the first and most obvious thing that if somehow you were such a vulnerable and easy to knock Quarterback that taking a piece of advice could somehow impact you in a negative way is laughable but to straight up ignore and not even respond to one of the leader on the teams, a hall of fame safety, is another. Not conveying your message by texting away on your phone, not even taking a second to acknowledge him.

I don't think it's biased at all. If it was something that never happened to anyone, but seriously? I played on more than one team where you were not supposed to talk to the quarterback about the game 24 hours before the game starts. I also had a family member who was a pitcher and the same type of rules apply. Its a lot more common then you seem to think it is.

Can I come up with a reason why he flat out ignored him? No. Maybe he didn't hear him, maybe he was just ignoring him, I really don't think it matters.

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by Sowa

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=6017986

And there's a better way to go about it then ignoring the guy. For instance if it was me, I would say "Hey John I appreciate your advice but I really need this time to myself. Thanks."

An article from Rick Reilly on Jay Cutler is the equivalent of an Eric Francis article on Darryl Sutter. The man has a personal grudge that goes back to his days in Denver. The two don't like each other which is what sparked Rick Reilly to publish the Elway/Shanahan and the John Lynch story.

[flames_1987]

Originally Posted by DropIt

I don't think it's biased at all. If it was something that never happened to anyone, but seriously? I played on more than one team where you were not supposed to talk to the quarterback about the game 24 hours before the game starts. I also had a family member who was a pitcher and the same type of rules apply. Its a lot more common then you seem to think it is.

Can I come up with a reason why he flat out ignored him? No. Maybe he didn't hear him, maybe he was just ignoring him, I really don't think it matters.

I can come up with a reason, the same one everyone else got from the story besides you, Cutler was being arrogant, still new to the league and decided to just ignore one of the teams captains trying to give him advice while he texted away on his phone. Don't play the concentration card and needing his space when your texting in a locker room less then 45 minutes before a game. A pitcher can go the entire week and game without talking to anyone besides his catcher once or twice. The comparison doesn't fit

Not to mention, I'd assume Cutler would've made this clear and it be common knowledge in the dressing room that he needed his space before the game.. But I digress, because you obviously don't believe Cutler was in the wrong, which is fine.

This debate stems from your "Otherwise, he is known for having a great attitude in the dressing room and all his team mates like and respect him" comment and then taking an uninformed shot at Rodgers. Cutler has had a strong season and has shown signs of his level of maturity growing, but Jay Cutler is not going to win most popular player on his team and if you need a reason to why some people dislike him, his arrogance and attitude at times makes for a pretty easy answer.

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by flames_1987

I can come up with a reason, the same one everyone else got from the story besides you, Cutler was being arrogant, still new to the league and decided to just ignore one of the teams captains trying to give him advice while he texted away on his phone. Don't play the concentration card and needing his space when your texting in a locker room less then 45 minutes before a game. A pitcher can go the entire week and game without talking to anyone besides his catcher once or twice. The comparison doesn't fit

Not to mention, I'd assume Cutler would've made this clear and it be common knowledge in the dressing room that he needed his space before the game.. But I digress, because you obviously don't believe Cutler was in the wrong, which is fine.

This debate stems from your "Otherwise, he is known for having a great attitude in the dressing room and all his team mates like and respect him" comment and then taking an uninformed shot at Rodgers. Cutler has had a strong season and has shown signs of his level of maturity growing, but Jay Cutler is not going to win most popular player on his team and if you need a reason to why some people dislike him, his arrogance and attitude at times makes for a pretty easy answer.

explain this shot i took? your obviously taking it out of context, as i have said 3 times now that i have defended Rodgers each time it was brought up.

[flames_1987]

Originally Posted by dropit

yeah, cutler is full of douchiness . I like how a player is an ass when he wants traded because his coach tried to trade him without his knowing. To me mcdaniels is the idiot, and his firing supports that. Otherwise, he is known for having a great attitude in the dressing room and all his team mates like and respect him.

Also, while people have stated in the thread already as blown out of proportion news, you can call cutler 'douchie' while defending rodgers blowing off a cancer survivor. Good judge of character.

^1

[DropIt]

To be fair, I posted it as more of a joke and am sure that Aaron Rodgers doesnt hate people with Cancer.

The 'jack-ass' Quaterback seems to the the theme in the NFC North this year as there are articles about Jay, Aaron and Brett (obviously) on their arrogance and flat out disregard for media personalities. To me it seems like the same treatment Darryl started getting for not co-operating with the media

I agree with you to a point. I know that there comes some resposibility as a professional athlete to sign autographs and etc for the fans, but your never going to get to all of them and you will always dissapoint someone. This just happens to look pretty bad on camera as it would if he rejected a child and the cancer story leading up to it makes it look 10x worse

Also, while people have stated in the thread already as blown out of proportion news, you can call Cutler 'douchie' while defending Rodgers blowing off a cancer survivor. Good judge of character.

3 times. 3, that i have defended aaron rodgers on this subject.

The only point i was bringing up was that he was calling Cutler a ######, while in the same breath was defending Rodgers for doing something accused of much worse

[flames_1987]

Originally Posted by DropIt

3 times. 3, that i have defended aaron rodgers on this subject.

The only point i was bringing up was that he was calling Cutler a ######, while in the same breath was defending Rodgers for doing something accused of much worse

Not even accused though and nobody even needed to come to his defense. The women herself has said he has signed multiple autographs for her and spoke highly about what a nice guy Rodgers is. At the time of your post, the full story had already come out and the women had publicly defended him.

In terms of character, Rodgers has a much stronger track record then Cutler. Does that really mean anything come Sunday though? Absolutely not.