2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Lanny_McDonald]

^^^ That's how sanctions work. You punish the masses so they take action against the leadership.

[Tkachukwagon]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Pagnotta claims that the Flames have expressed interest in Robert Hagg.

Can’t wait.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1494778757529452553

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon

Can’t wait.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1494778757529452553

Remember when everyone said Gudbranson and Zadorov were trash???

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Remember when everyone said Gudbranson and Zadorov were trash???

I’m not sure that you can prove a premise based on a few outliers.

[Tkachukwagon]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Remember when everyone said Gudbranson and Zadorov were trash???

That’s fair. Honestly, I don’t really like Andy and Rono. Here is takes on Zadorov and Gudbranson:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1436392117627195395

https://twitter.com/user/status/1420396883143495680

I think there are better depth options that Hagg, even internally, but I won’t raise a stink if the acquisition cost is low.

[shutout]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

^^^ That's how sanctions work. You punish the masses so they take action against the leadership.

Execpt that leader will gladly welcome all of these Russian players back home to play in the KHL. There will be zero impact or influence of the action.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by shutout

Execpt that leader will gladly welcome all of these Russian players back home to play in the KHL. There will be zero impact or influence of the action.

And the players will be happy foregoing millions of dollars in salaries to play back in the KHL and keep Putin off his meds. Good to know.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Wow Andy and Rono are sure negative. Pretty easy to dismiss absolute statements like that. They just sound like angry fans, not analysts.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Sutter is a master of finding players appropriate roles they can flourish under. It doesn't always work, not all coaches and players mesh, but man no one reads a skaters strengths and weaknesses like Darry Sutter, the guys hockey mind is lightyears beyond most.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon

That’s fair. Honestly, I don’t really like Andy and Rono. Here is takes on Zadorov and Gudbranson:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1436392117627195395

https://twitter.com/user/status/1420396883143495680

I think there are better depth options that Hagg, even internally, but I won’t raise a stink if the acquisition cost is low.

I’m with your initial post, we can do a lot better than Hagg. Very vanilla, and not very physical for a stay at home type.

EDIT: I was wrong, apparently he hits a lot. Still can do better….

[Gaskal]

Hagg certainly appears to be hot garbage!

https://twitter.com/user/status/1418631378812473349

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Hagg certainly appears to be hot garbage!

https://twitter.com/user/status/1418631378812473349

Hits like a truck though.

[howard_the_duck]

The more I watch this team come together, it strikes me that a missing piece in the bottom 6 is a Marcus Nilson/Ville Nieminen type. Guys that can play up and down the lineup, have some skill and 2-way play, and some grit. Sutter needs more guys in his bottom 6 he can trust defensively and importantly can play his system with speed, forecheck and puck possession.

Couple under the radar names that fit the bill for me ahead of the deadline: Namestnikov and Johansson.

The type of acquisitions that won't be cost prohibitive and may not get 'wow' reactions from the media but would be instrumental in a playoff run, IMO.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I’m not sure that you can prove a premise based on a few outliers.

Is it a case of outliers? Or is it the case that - for defensemen especially - these stats are very much a function of opportunity and teammates?

[sticktrick]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

What a stupid view. You are going to punish hockey players because of some dictator's actions they have no control over? We need to be better than that.

Stupid view? Need to be better than that? What are you talking about? I was merely referring to the Russian players being concerned about getting their work visas cancelled or revoked based on what's going on with Russian now and all the different sanctions that are being implemented and planned, including all the recent talk from the hockey community about the Russian team potentially being uninvited to the upcoming WJC in August. If I were a Russian professional athlete on a work VISA outside of Russia, I'd be somewhat concerned too.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

^^^ That's how sanctions work. You punish the masses so they take action against the leadership.

That's not how sanctions work. The purpose of sanctions is either (a) to make it harder for the leadership to keep their armed forces supplied, or (b) to make meaningless righteous noises so the ‘international community’ can applaud itself for doing nothing.

When Mussolini invaded Abyssinia, the League of Nations imposed sanctions. They were meant to be type (a) sanctions, but several countries set their diplomats to work to have oil excluded from the sanctions. The one thing Mussolini needed to import to keep his army running was, of course, oil. So excluding oil turned the sanctions into type (b) at a stroke. All they accomplished was to annoy Mussolini and influence him to ally himself with Hitler the following year – with incredibly disastrous results for the whole of humanity.

The type (a) sanctions being discussed now involve kicking Russia out of SWIFT, which will leave them without access to hard currency to pay for imports (except by spending their own gold reserves, which are limited). Once again, diplomats are trying hard to leave SWIFT off the table and reduce the sanctions to type (b) – which is invariably a stupid move.

By the time sanctions come into play, it is perfectly obvious that the masses have no say in who rules them or what their rulers do. The question is whether the sanctions actually hurt the rulers where it counts – in their military power.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by sticktrick

Stupid view? Need to be better than that? What are you talking about? I was merely referring to the Russian players being concerned about getting their work visas cancelled or revoked based on what's going on with Russian now and all the different sanctions that are being implemented and planned, including all the recent talk from the hockey community about the Russian team potentially being uninvited to the upcoming WJC in August. If I were a Russian professional athlete on a work VISA outside of Russia, I'd be somewhat concerned too.

I am talking about the NHL, not you personally.

[sticktrick]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I am talking about the NHL, not you personally.

It'll be interesting in how it all unfolds in the next little while regarding the depth of sanctions and boycotts. There's no question there will be some negative spotlight on famous Russian celebrities (notably NHL players) that have some connection to Putin (whether intended or unintended). Ovechkin is in a hard spot right now with the media. Would not want to be in his situation; he's damned if he does or damned if he doesn't regardless of his true feelings about it all.

[shutout]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

And the players will be happy foregoing millions of dollars in salaries to play back in the KHL and keep Putin off his meds. Good to know.

Players wont be happy.
But what can they do.
Nothing.
Will have zero impact on any decisions Putin makes.

[Enoch Root]

actually Putin would love it - he wants Russian stars playing in the K