2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I don’t think it’s quite as crazy as that scenario was.

1. Because unlike the Markstrom situation, Calgary has all the power this time.
2. Both sides wanted to make the trade work last time, the 10th pick was part of negotiations but never happened ultimately.

This time around the entire situation is different.

1. NJD are overplaying their hand making it known they REALLY want Andersson and it’s believed that Markstrom is probably helping.
2. Mercer is having a down year and Calgary has wanted him since the Markstrom trade went down, NJD are not as strict on moving him now.
3. Nemec and NJD are essentially done, he’s let them know he wants a fresh start somewhere else.

This gives Calgary far more leverage this time around, like a lot more.
With that said I’ve been told that if this offer was on the table it would be a done deal. Both teams have had varying levels of discussions. It’s going to take an offer like that for Calgary to move Andersson anywhere.

Craig still wants another young center, I’d also expect to see Calgary drafting centers this year so long as players available are on the same “shelf” if you will.

I think the question NJ is going to have to wrestle with is, are they better off paying a premium for Andersson, or something far less for, say, Ristolanen?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I think the question NJ is going to have to wrestle with is, are they better off paying a premium for Andersson, or something far less for, say, Ristolanen?

A post earlier said it’s Fitzgerald making the call. I would hope he understands we are not giving Andersson away for what it would cost to get Risto.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

A post earlier said it’s Fitzgerald making the call. I would hope he understands we are not giving Andersson away for what it would cost to get Risto.

Yeah. The discussion on getting a crazy return like Mercer + Nemec is based on the fact that Conroy does not want to trade Andersson - especially right now so it will take a very large return to convince him to trade him right now. He could probably trade Andersson for Mercer + 1st round pick this summer if he wanted… so it will take a lot more than that to trade him right now in the middle of a playoff hunt.

[FusionX]

I'm hoping there's another deal to be made with NJ.

I can't imagine a 50% retained Rasmus isn't worth a significant amount as I think it allows them to have a solid shot this year and next. Include taking out 4m in Mercer's contract who's been decent, but trending down yearly and they'd still have cap-space this year and next to make various moves (L Hughes will need a new contract after this year too).

I am hopeful that as Royle says and Nemec/Mercer are on the table, they pull the trigger.

Mercer + Nemec for Andersson (50%) + Morton + 4th

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

A post earlier said it’s Fitzgerald making the call. I would hope he understands we are not giving Andersson away for what it would cost to get Risto.

Yes, understood. And it goes without saying Fitzgerald knows the cost of each players are not the same.

That’s the point. If the Flames demand is Mercer and Nemec, for the sake of argument, and the Flyers is Nemec, in the cost benefit analysis do the Devils think parting with Mercer on top of Nemec is worth the cost increase?

[Paulie Walnuts]

What are the retention rules ? That would 2 contracts on the same team.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Yes, understood. And it goes without saying Fitzgerald knows the cost of each players are not the same.

That’s the point. If the Flames demand is Mercer and Nemec, for the sake of argument, and the Flyers is Nemec, in the cost benefit analysis do the Devils think parting with Mercer on top of Nemec is worth the cost increase?

Normally I’d agree but it’s Fitzgerald. The guy who threw a tantrum after not getting the Markstrom deal done.

Approaching a team in a playoff hunt about their #1 defenceman you should be bringing your best offer to the table.

If we add in retention the cost seems fair. This was an issue last year with New Jersey.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Normally I’d agree but it’s Fitzgerald. The guy who threw a tantrum after not getting the Markstrom deal done.

Approaching a team in a playoff hunt about their #1 defenceman you should be bringing your best offer to the table.

If we add in retention the cost seems fair. This was an issue last year with New Jersey.

Yes, but it also tells us Fitzgerald is pretty firm with his negotiating strategies. Evidently, he didn’t capitulate.

A lot of people here thought he would because he ‘had’ to. Turns out that wasn’t the case. Is he more willing to bend this year? Maybe, but probably not if history tells us anything.

The bigger question might be Conroy this time around. The Flames road trip after the break could be pivotal.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Yes, but it also tells us Fitzgerald is pretty firm with his negotiating strategies. Evidently, he didn’t capitulate.

A lot of people here thought he would because he ‘had’ to. Turns out that wasn’t the case. Is he more willing to bend this year? Maybe, but probably not if history tells us anything.

The bigger question might be Conroy this time around. The Flames road trip after the break could be pivotal.

Markstrom wouldn’t have gotten them in the playoffs last year. They are in a better position this time so he may be willing to pay up.

We still made a good deal for Markstrom. It was beaten to death but goalie typically don’t bring back big packages.

Also Mercer isn’t trending well either. Nemec would be the big get. I would prefer picks and a center prospect for Andersson but Nemec is too good to pass up if he was offered. That’s 2 studs on defence for 10-15 years.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Markstrom wouldn’t have gotten them in the playoffs last year. They are in a better position this time so he may be willing to pay up.

We still made a good deal for Markstrom. It was beaten to death but goalie typically don’t bring back big packages.

Also Mercer isn’t trending well either. Nemec would be the big get. I would prefer picks and a center prospect for Andersson but Nemec is too good to pass up if he was offered. That’s 2 studs on defence for 10-15 years.

It would be interesting if it came to be but it doesn’t seem like these types of discussions ever come to fruition.

I would be in favour of it but I doubt it happens. Mostly because I don’t think Conroy will move Andersson.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by FusionX

I'm hoping there's another deal to be made with NJ.

I can't imagine a 50% retained Rasmus isn't worth a significant amount as I think it allows them to have a solid shot this year and next. Include taking out 4m in Mercer's contract who's been decent, but trending down yearly and they'd still have cap-space this year and next to make various moves (L Hughes will need a new contract after this year too).

I am hopeful that as Royle says and Nemec/Mercer are on the table, they pull the trigger.

Mercer + Nemec for Andersson (50%) + Morton + 4th

Make it Andersson + Pospisil + 2nd and it is at least getting into the realm of reasonable.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Make it Andersson + Pospisil + 2nd and it is at least getting into the realm of reasonable.

If we add in retention that way too much. We are trading the best player in the deal and getting a prospect and a w/c who has been declining but still playing his highest TOI in his career.

[Enoch Root]

The pick can be scaled back, with retention.

But Morton + 4th isn't getting it done.

[Funkhouser]

NJD receives: Anderson (no retention) + Pospisil
CGY receives: Nemec & Mercer

COL receives: Kadri (retained)
CGY receives: Ritchie & 1st


New centre core:
Frost, Mercer, Ritchie, Backlund

New D core:
Weegar - Nemec
Bahl - Pareyk

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

NJD receives: Anderson (no retention) + Pospisil
CGY receives: Nemec & Mercer

COL receives: Kadri (retained)
CGY receives: Ritchie & 1st


New centre core:
Frost, Mercer, Ritchie, Backlund

New D core:
Weegar - Nemec
Bahl - Pareyk

Mercer is more of a winger. He's playing RW with Erik Haula as the second line center.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

NJD receives: Anderson (no retention) + Pospisil
CGY receives: Nemec & Mercer

COL receives: Kadri (retained)
CGY receives: Ritchie & 1st


New centre core:
Frost, Mercer, Ritchie, Backlund

New D core:
Weegar - Nemec
Bahl - Pareyk

Oh hell yes. Except I would also trade Mercer for cozens.

Then you go into next year with a really nice rd prospect to trade as a base for another center, or maybe to move up in draft...

[SuperMatt18]

Yeah that's the one thing about acquiring Mercer as a center - it's been weird that even when Hughes or Hischier get injured they keep him on the wing.

Now look at the Flames who played Bennett on the wing and maybe it means nothing, but it's still just something to consider that maybe he's not a C at the NHL level.

[FusionX]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The pick can be scaled back, with retention.

But Morton + 4th isn't getting it done.

It's really mostly what Andersson at 50% for a year and a half is worth. I agree there's not much value to these two pieces but Morton is a young(ish) center, close to ppg in the AHL and optics of returning a center may help. The 4th is manueverable imo, and if it took a 2nd, I wouldn't be against it.

I just feel with nemec wanting out, Mercer doing only okish, it shouldn't take something ridiculous.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Yes, but it also tells us Fitzgerald is pretty firm with his negotiating strategies. Evidently, he didn’t capitulate.

A lot of people here thought he would because he ‘had’ to. Turns out that wasn’t the case. Is he more willing to bend this year? Maybe, but probably not if history tells us anything.

The bigger question might be Conroy this time around. The Flames road trip after the break could be pivotal.

I doubt Bahl was ever on the table last year so he did capitulate somewhat. The scrub he wanted to send us (Holtz) eventually went to Vegas.

[dammage79]

Andersson 50 percent retained is worth a mega haul. How many top 4 RHS defenseman have a 2.2m cap hit at 50 percent retained? I think the answer is you can count them on one hand.