Former Flames player performance thread - 2022/23 season

[Vinny01]

I saw an article on the score today that said Tkachuk had the second most points of any player in the league in the calendar year of 2022. 121pts in 86 games 46 goals

[dino7c]

He is gonna need some tonight...down 3-0 after two
they are gonna need some kinda run to even get back in the race

Its not surprising considering the tear they went on after Xmas...Gaudreau is probably up there too I am guessing despite his so so year this season

[Hockey_Ninja]

This Panthers season has just been a disaster. Missing the playoffs after the dominant team they were last year and trading away the assets they had would be embarrassing. That Maurice hire keeps on looking worse and worse. I genuinely want to know what Zito was thinking trading away an unprotected 1st in a strong draft year for Ben fricken Chiarot

[Vinny01]

The Panthers made the absolute blunder of loading up too much for a run that rarely happens when a team makes multiple huge adds at the end of the season. Chairot, and Giroux came at way too high of a price. Using 1sts on Reinhart and Tkachuk were solid moves in my opinion.

When I see fans here comment on trading for Pat Kane it makes me cringe at the thought of giving up Coronato and this years first for what may only be a 1-2 round run with no chance of retaining him which was basically what Florida did with Giroux


The Maurice hire was so puzzling. He has to be the most overrated coach in the league.

[Roof-Daddy]

I really never cared much about the Panthers, but now that Tkachuk forced his way out of CGY and ended up going there to win "multiple cups" I hope they miss the playoffs for the entirety of his time there.

[Bingo]

I'm not all that into dumping on former Flames ... not a good look in my mind.

But yeah Florida is in trouble.

The 8th best team in the East is on a 97.5 point pace (Islanders). If that holds they'll need 98 points which is .689 hockey the rest of the way.

Only four teams managed that through all of last season, they'll essentially need to duplicate their President's Trophy pace from last year the rest of the way.

And no 1st and 3rd round pick to boot

[Paulie Walnuts]

I don't think it's dumping on them the way they left.

No matter how many times Tkachuk wants to play the hero who asked for a trade he gave us a list of 3 realistic teams and a weeks notice.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'm not all that into dumping on former Flames ... not a good look in my mind.

But yeah Florida is in trouble.

The 8th best team in the East is on a 97.5 point pace (Islanders). If that holds they'll need 98 points which is .689 hockey the rest of the way.

Only four teams managed that through all of last season, they'll essentially need to duplicate their President's Trophy pace from last year the rest of the way.

And no 1st and 3rd round pick to boot

I guess Florida plays a style which inflates offensive numbers a little, we’re seeing that with Tkachuk, Bennett and Huberdeau. But how much of their problem would be fixed with just average goaltending?

And they need Barkov to be durable.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I guess Florida plays a style which inflates offensive numbers a little, we’re seeing that with Tkachuk, Bennett and Huberdeau. But how much of their problem would be fixed with just average goaltending?

And they need Barkov to be durable.

5 on 5 they are 15th in save percentage, but terrible in every other scenario.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I don't think it's dumping on them the way they left.

No matter how many times Tkachuk wants to play the hero who asked for a trade he gave us a list of 3 realistic teams and a weeks notice.

He also said he wanted to sign long term a few weeks earlier

I will cheer for Monahan, Gio, ect.

Not sure why a sports fan should root for a guy that bailed on the team...do what you want but it's not a "bad look"

[dino7c]

We see it with the Oilers and they have a 72 point player and are a bubble team. All out attack is good for the personal stats but it's not how you win games consistently. Panthers supposedly changed their roster so they can get further in the playoffs but they should have changed their philosophy.
Imagine if the Flames were this far out and didn't have their 2023 1st...not to mention the next few.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by dino7c

We see it with the Oilers and they have a 72 point player and are a bubble team. All out attack is good for the personal stats but it's not how you win games consistently. Panthers supposedly changed their roster so they can get further in the playoffs but they should have changed their philosophy.
Imagine if the Flames were this far out and didn't have their 2023 1st...not to mention the next few.

Similar to what happened to the Flames in 2018 though with the 1st they gave up for Hamonic. Wound up finishing 20th and didnt have a first. This draft does look better though.

edit: didnt have their 2nd that year either.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by dino7c

We see it with the Oilers and they have a 72 point player and are a bubble team. All out attack is good for the personal stats but it's not how you win games consistently. Panthers supposedly changed their roster so they can get further in the playoffs but they should have changed their philosophy.
Imagine if the Flames were this far out and didn't have their 2023 1st...not to mention the next few.

Panthers traded away one of their best defenders. Depth absolutely matters, and they are getting screwed. It will continue to be a tire fire over there when they have no way of improving the team when they’ve got no 1sts and Bobrovskiy taking away a large chunk of their cap.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Similar to what happened to the Flames in 2018 though with the 1st they gave up for Hamonic. Wound up finishing 20th and didnt have a first. This draft does look better though.

edit: didnt have their 2nd that year either.

True and that aged very poorly but as bad as that was the Flames at least had player signed. Panthers did it for a rental they couldn't afford to keep

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

This Panthers season has just been a disaster. Missing the playoffs after the dominant team they were last year and trading away the assets they had would be embarrassing. That Maurice hire keeps on looking worse and worse. I genuinely want to know what Zito was thinking trading away an unprotected 1st in a strong draft year for Ben fricken Chiarot

Not sure why people think the Maurice hire looks worse. Maurice's .500 record isn't based on short tenure. It's based on over 1500 games coached and defines what he brings to any team that hires him. They had to expect he would produce a team that aligns closely with his career record and that's exactly what they are getting from him. It's simple cause and effect.

[getbak]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1609298879077355520

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dino7c

True and that aged very poorly but as bad as that was the Flames at least had player signed. Panthers did it for a rental they couldn't afford to keep

Florida did it in a year they were the Presidents trophy winning team. The Flames traded an unprotected 1st after a season they needed a 10 game winning streak to squeak into a wildcard spot and were a bottom 5 team league wide the year before. I regard the Hamonic trade as the worst move Treliving has made though so it doesn’t discount the Chairot trade was an utter disaster for Florida.

Unless you have a top 5 prospect pool in the league, are a legit contender, and have cap room to keep the player I am opposed to premium assets for a rental. With how the Flames are against the cap I see really no scenario where I would part with this teams first. Realistically maybe for Lafreniere if he is actually on the block

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by dino7c

He also said he wanted to sign long term a few weeks earlier

I will cheer for Monahan, Gio, ect.

Not sure why a sports fan should root for a guy that bailed on the team...do what you want but it's not a "bad look"

You know what ... that's fair. Shouldn't apply my lens.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Bingo

You know what ... that's fair. Shouldn't apply my lens.

I agree that attacking their family online or hoping for injury ect. is a bad look...I am strictly talking on ice.

Tkachuk especially is hard to defend with some of his antics...he got suspended for poking a goalie in the eye this season...that goes far beyond the general being a jerk he used to do so well here.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by getbak

https://twitter.com/user/status/1609298879077355520

It's surprising to see how recent most of the top four are. I would have thought Hull, Kane, or Modano might be up there. Didn't expect to see three relatively young guys filling 2-4 on that list above guys considered all-time great US players.