His skating isn't like Lysell but what he does with and without the puck is efficient, accurate and purposeful. The guy can grind and muck and always drives the middle of the ice.
And his skating isn't a liability either.
Oh and like I said before, guy can get his shot off in any scenario. It's awesome. This guy is #1 for me.
Still will be happy with almost any FW though. Only ones I'm a bit hesitant on are Coronoto and Sillinger.
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It is sad to look at our system and prospects and accept the fact that it doesn't matter who or what position is drafted, unless it is a small LW, it will fill a massive hole in the system.
Not really. This isn't a comprehensive list but I think these guys have a decent shot to get games in the NHL. Most won't be impact players but that's always true with prospects.
C
Zary
Gawdin
Ruzicka
Pospisil
LW
Pelletier
Pettersen
Heinemen
RW
Phillips
Philp
Zavgorodniy
Francis
LD
Mackey
Kylington
Kuznetzov
Poirier
Solovyov
RD
Kinnvall
Poolman
G
Wolf
Parsons
Chechelev
Zary and Pelletier will be NHL regulars I think. Wolf is a serious golatending prospect with many accolades. Mackey will likely be a top 6 regular next season.
RW and RD are looking pretty weak for sure but I'm not seeing massive holes in every spot.
^^^ Most of those names on that list won't get into an NHL game without a ticket? Jesus, how many small to tiny players can one organization have? The Flames have an immediate need to get bigger, not smaller, and the majority of the players on this list are small to tiny. I see Zary, Ruzicka, Pelletier, Mackey, and Kuznetzov as actual prospects with a legitimate chance. Heineman, Poirier, Kinnvall, and Wolf are in the next tier, and then the rest are long shots. So we our depth is two at center, one at left wing, zero at right wing, four on defense, and one in goal. That's why we are one of the lowest ranked groups in the NHL. We need more depth and potential at all positions.
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Nope. He's 5'10, 170. Still a small forward, the same size as Derek Ryan, but plays with a non-stop motor and high skill level that should buy him some good will.
NHL.com — 5'9", 160. But maybe things have changed since that was last updated.
Either way, it doesn't really matter. Size shouldn't play a massive role in prospect evaluation. If you can play, you can play, no matter how big you are. There are plenty of small players in this league. They win the Stanley Cup every year.
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Either way, it doesn't really matter. Size shouldn't play a massive role in prospect evaluation. If you can play, you can play, no matter how big you are.
Except it does matter. You need size to play in the NHL or you need to be an exceptional talent. This is the thing you tend to overlook. Unless you are exceptional in a given facet of the game, size matters. As was pointed out in the comparison between the Avalanche and the Flames, the Avs have size and skill in their top six, while the Flames do not. The Flames size is inflated by having Lucic, Ritchie , and Robinson on the roster, all of which are really inconsequential to the success of the team. The shortest forward on the Avs roster is Alex Newhook at 5'10. The lightest is Logan Connor at 175. Size matters and is another one of the reasons the Avalanche and then the Stars had their way with the Flames.
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There are plenty of small players in this league. They win the Stanley Cup every year.
Surrounded by big players, not surrounded by other small players.
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Not really. This isn't a comprehensive list but I think these guys have a decent shot to get games in the NHL. Most won't be impact players but that's always true with prospects.
C
Zary
Gawdin
Ruzicka
Pospisil
LW
Pelletier
Pettersen
Heinemen
RW
Phillips
Philp
Zavgorodniy
Francis
LD
Mackey
Kylington
Kuznetzov
Poirier
Solovyov
RD
Kinnvall
Poolman
G
Wolf
Parsons
Chechelev
Zary and Pelletier will be NHL regulars I think. Wolf is a serious golatending prospect with many accolades. Mackey will likely be a top 6 regular next season.
RW and RD are looking pretty weak for sure but I'm not seeing massive holes in every spot.
It's hard being a Flames fan, looking at your list doesn't help. The future is bleak.
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I'm not claiming that the Flames have a high-end stable of prospects. Just responding to the statement that the only prospects they have are small left wingers. That can be untrue, while there still being gaps.
Flames fans are so self-pitying, it's ridiculous.
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^^^ Most of those names on that list won't get into an NHL game without a ticket? Jesus, how many small to tiny players can one organization have? The Flames have an immediate need to get bigger, not smaller, and the majority of the players on this list are small to tiny. I see Zary, Ruzicka, Pelletier, Mackey, and Kuznetzov as actual prospects with a legitimate chance. Heineman, Poirier, Kinnvall, and Wolf are in the next tier, and then the rest are long shots. So we our depth is two at center, one at left wing, zero at right wing, four on defense, and one in goal. That's why we are one of the lowest ranked groups in the NHL. We need more depth and potential at all positions.
How many prospects do you think usually graduate to prominent roles on other teams? I don't understand what you are comparing them to. Since 2017-18 they have added Mangiapane, Andersson, Valimaki and Dube. That is a top 6 W, top 9 W, and top 4 D plus another D who has been decimated by injuries. I genuinely do not understand what people think happens with other NHL teams. Over the same period the Leafs have added Sandin, Holl, Dermott, and Mikhayev. 3 4-6 D men and a top 9 F.
Most prospects in every organization do not make it and if they do they don't make to prominent roles. Top 6 and top 4 players have lengthy careers. The fact that the Flames have 2 first rounder forward prospects, a mid rounder who will likely make the team, a free agent D who will make it next season, and a very good goalie prospect may not be a perfect position, but the histrionics are too much.
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If Jesper Wallsteadt is there at 12, do you take him?
Absolutely. Guy looks like he's gonna be an absolute stud. If Wolf or Parsons ends up being an NHLer along with Wallstedt, then you have great pieces to move in the future
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Sandma, what do yiu know about this Taige Harding kid? Was just looking through some prospects and the kid is a monster at 6'7" 236 lbs.
I've come across him too-there's not a whole lot of literature about this kid, but I watched some clips, and here's what I know:
Not sure how you feel about it, but to me, Junior A players are very hard to judge. This kid went through the draft last year, but apparently he's put in a ton of work, and he looks like a different player this year. From the clips, I can tell you that he's not another Kanzig-he can cover a lot of ice very quickly-due in part to his long stride, and smooth mechanics. In one of those videos, he goes coast to coast pretty much without being touched. He has a lot of work to do still, but he seems to have a good base-long stride that generates some power, and not too bad of a top speed. He skates backwards well too, and his wingspan is huuuuuge. In shorter bursts, he doesn't extend as much, so his step looks short and choppy. Needs better acceleration. All of these things can be improved, although he'll never be a burner. Of course, I don't have to tell you that he hits like a freight train, and he will drop the gloves, and he will pummel somebody. He has a pretty good slapper, but it could use more power-and he shows really good vision, at least at the level he's at. He's good at passing through traffic with some mustard, and finding the sticks of his forwards around the net for tip-ins. He will have time to work on his shortcomings at Providence College the next few years, but I would be surprised if some team didn't spend a late pick to secure him.
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Awesome, thanks. He seems like a perfect late pick but if he doesn't get drafted, could they invite him to camp? I honestly don't know, what happens to kids who aren't drafted? Can a team still get them somehow? If this kid slips out of the draft, which I really don't think he will, I'd love to see the Flames give him a shot.
I want the biggest kid (Harding) and the best name (Stankoven).
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Awesome, thanks. He seems like a perfect late pick but if he doesn't get drafted, could they invite him to camp? I honestly don't know, what happens to kids who aren't drafted? Can a team still get them somehow? If this kid slips out of the draft, which I really don't think he will, I'd love to see the Flames give him a shot.
I want the biggest kid (Harding) and the best name (Stankoven).
I believe undrafted CHL players can be signed as early as age 18, but he's committed to college, so I believe they wouldn't be able to sign him until he was done there. The flyers signed Phil Myers after he passed through the draft, after he impressed at one of their camps.
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So what is your path to becoming a professional scout? Whatever it is, please just stay part of CP? I was thinking of getting a draft preview magazine or something but part of me just wants to copy and paste all your posts on a word document lol. What magazine would you recommend if you were to get one?
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How many prospects do you think usually graduate to prominent roles on other teams? I don't understand what you are comparing them to. Since 2017-18 they have added Mangiapane, Andersson, Valimaki and Dube. That is a top 6 W, top 9 W, and top 4 D plus another D who has been decimated by injuries. I genuinely do not understand what people think happens with other NHL teams. Over the same period the Leafs have added Sandin, Holl, Dermott, and Mikhayev. 3 4-6 D men and a top 9 F.
Most prospects in every organization do not make it and if they do they don't make to prominent roles. Top 6 and top 4 players have lengthy careers. The fact that the Flames have 2 first rounder forward prospects, a mid rounder who will likely make the team, a free agent D who will make it next season, and a very good goalie prospect may not be a perfect position, but the histrionics are too much.
Mangi and Andersson were 2015. The Leafs added two disappointments named Matthews and Marner that year and 2016. The Flames added Tkachuk also
Just saying
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So what is your path to becoming a professional scout? Whatever it is, please just stay part of CP? I was thinking of getting a draft preview magazine or something but part of me just wants to copy and paste all your posts on a word document lol. What magazine would you recommend if you were to get one?
You are too kind. My little write-ups are just miniature compendiums of things other people have written, mixed with things I see in clips, and games I've watched-doesn't mean it's necessarily gospel,lol. I usually watch a ton of junior hockey (not much this year), and I catch what I can of tournaments,etc. Most of the number comparisons are mine. This is just what I do in my spare time every year, and people I know depend on me to know what I'm talking about, lol. I've helped do training camp evaluations at the Junior B level, as my opinion is trusted-nobody would ever come to me for life advice! Lol. Thanks to anyone who reads my stuff, it gives me an outlet for my little "hobby", and of course I welcome any debates, comments, and criticisms.
I usually just go player to player and find whatever I can digest on them, be it clips, mocks, and whatever else. I always buy the Hockey News Draft Preview, but I find myself questioning their judgement these days. The FC Hockey Draft Guide is the one to get-they have good judgement, and are very comprehensive-you can find write-ups about players that don't any attention from the media. Once again, Thank you so so much!
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My thought, the draft philosophy must be IQ, skill, and body size. Must draft most smart skilled player at your turn.
Then player development is next step. Develop your player whatever the player could be at his best.
Third one should be player management. Value own prospect and value their role to the team. If you have extra player or two trade them for the player you need.
The main problem of this team management they doesn't have good pro scouts who can find useful prospects in other teams prospect pool.
We can have many small prospects that can play same positions and good enough to play NHL. But we should be able to trade some of them for other players that the team need.
