It's a sect war and a war against Assads army for them, you believe in their way or get in their way you are dead, but make no mistake, they hate christians/westerners even more.
I don't need Fox to show me Islam is a crazy religion filled with bad ideas.
Sorry to burst your bubble but when innocent people get slaughtered around the world for not believing or drawing cartoons it's not fear...it absolute disgust.
And even without the attacks on "westerners" this barbaric religion slaughters it own in public view for things like adultery,sorcery(),leaving Islam,being gay and even ripping a page out of the Qur'an.
A couple of other points:
-The Qur'an never once speaks of Allah's love for non-Muslims, but it speaks of Allah's cruelty toward and hatred of non-Muslims more than 500 times.(nice book)
-Islam teaches that non-Muslims are less than fully human. Muhammad said that Muslims can be put to death for murder, but that a Muslim could never be put to death for killing a non-Muslim.(lol,proved wrong many times)
It's simple, Islam is a religion of hate...period.
Bombs are not ramdomly being dropped on any given day of the week by which ever country. Their is not a daily suicide bombing, or a mass military style shooting .
...Its not hard to wonder why people would move to country's where they don't agree with social politics. There isn't a full out war zone throughout European and North America countries like there is in the middle east and asia minor countries.
You're making it sound as though all, or even most, Muslim immigrants are refugees from war-torn countries. Don't let recent events skew your perception of something that has been going on for 50 years. Most of France's Muslims are from Algeria, Morocco, and Tunisia. Not especially nice places, but not, for most of the last 50 years, hellish war zones. Most of the UK's Muslim immigrants come from Pakistan. Again, not a war zone (except for the borderlands with Afghanistan). Most of Germany's Muslim immigrants come from Turkey. I've been to Turkey a couple times and not had my head blown off. It's no more a war zone than Mexico. The largest source of Muslim immigrants to the Netherlands is Indonesia. There hasn't been a war in Indonesia proper since the 60s.
These people picked up stakes and moved to Europe or North American for economic opportunity. And I'm fine with that. I just don't understand why they seem surprised that their values clash with the values of their destination countries, and fail to anticipate that this can pose tremendous problems for them and their children. Maybe they think they can keep their ways of life by living in enclaves of co-religionists. But they're wrong in that. However tolerant and open to multi-culturalism a Western country is, it will still seem a cesspit of vice, perversion, and fornication to many devout Muslims.
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Anonymous, the loose collective of online activists, said Saturday it has uncovered information about Islamic State group attacks in Paris as well as on locations in the U.S., Indonesia, Italy and Lebanon, all apparently set for Sunday. OpParisIntel, a group within Anonymous, released a statement saying it had collected information about imminent attacks by the militant group
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Demonstration by Collectif du droit des femmes (Paris)
Cigales Electroniques with Vocodecks, RE-Play & Rawtor at Le Bizen (Paris)
Concrete Invites Drumcode: Adam Beyer, Alan Fitzpatrick, Joel Mull at Concrete (Paris)
Feast of Christ the King celebrations (Rome/Worldwide)
Al-Jihad, One Day Juz (Indonesia)
Five Finger Death Punch (Milan)
University Pastoral Day (Holy Spirit University of Kaslik, Lebanon)
By who?
We are trying to allow these discussions to be pretty open and not censor posts. There is stuff in this thread that I think is pretty ignorant but censoring the conversation won't help.
Religion is what the interpreter brings to it. It can be violent or not. Islam is no different. Buddhism is no different.
The views of Islam in the last couple threads are diametrically opposed to the beliefs of every Muslim I know as well as my religious studies professor way way way way back when....he was a rabbi.
Seems like some people believe that pre-emptively claiming censorship will give their views a touch of controversy and originality, even if it's just the same old crap we've heard a million times. Collective eye rolling is probably the closest they'll get to censorship.
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Religion is what the interpreter brings to it. It can be violent or not. Islam is no different. Buddhism is no different.
The views of Islam in the last couple threads are diametrically opposed to the beliefs of every Muslim I know as well as my religious studies professor way way way way back when....he was a rabbi.
Yeah tons of Buddhist extremists out there, terrorizing people with meditation and silence.
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One thing I am starting to realize is how complex the "problem" of the middle east really is. I'm not certain there really is 'this is the reason why' or 'that is the reason why'.
But for some reason there does feel like there are conditions for a much larger escalation of conflict involving many nations, but I'm not sure if that is just sensationalism on my part.
Anonymous also said the Islamic State group is planning an assault at the WWE Survivor Series event scheduled to take place in the Philips Arena in Atlanta Sunday at 7.30 p.m.
Here comes the next wave of John Cena memes...
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Religion is what the interpreter brings to it. It can be violent or not. Islam is no different. Buddhism is no different.
If I responded to this I'd pretty much just be stealing Sam Harris's arguments or making the same points less effectively, so, here.
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They received a threatening letter about an explosive device this morning, but searched the hotel and didn't find anything. They warned guests and RCMP are there. Weird.
They are most certainly fighting for religion, if you actually read some of the articles posted in here ISIS is trying to adhere to the most literal translation of the Quran that they can. They want the end-times to come upon us, and everything they do including the barbaric savagery is part of that and directly referenced in the Quran
In a related note, mainstream Islam is much more extreme in their views than anyone wants to admit. Just take a look at a few of the sources posted in this thread
I guess I know it's true, but you got to be some kind of stupid to interpret religion the way they do.
It's more like the radicals are not happy with the direction that Islam is going, you know, evolution. They are not happy about Muslims being more Western and is punishing the West for it.
If I use Korea as an example, the youths there are much more Westernized and materialistic then even 5 years ago. But there are no radicals that are upset about it (except maybe grandmothers but they have no weapons, hee)
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I guess I know it's true, but you got to be some kind of stupid to interpret religion the way they do.
ISIS are hardly to first people to take a literal approach to their holy tomes, and take inspiration from them for the most savage of acts. Go back three hundred years and many Christians interpreted the bible in ways that would horrify us today. The Wars of Religion in Europe saw slaughter on and carnage between Catholics and Protestants on a scale that beggars the imagination, and make the Irish conflict look like a game of patty-cakes. In fact, I'd say if you took all the people who have ever lived, it would be modern Westerners who would stand out for our unusually mild and tolerant approach to religion and faith. But our new-found mildness is not the historical norm.
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),leaving Islam,being gay and even ripping a page out of the Qur'an.
) to show where I'm wrong enough to censor.
