Ongoing US Mass Shooting Thread

[Coach]

Originally Posted by PIMking

sure, you can own that Corvette, but you have to go to the race track to drive it and it has to be stored there.

Man, I'm all for having a discussion, but you can't compare guns to cars. It seems to be the go to thing for people to be like LOOK SEE PEOPLE CAN KILL OTHER PEOPLE WITH CARS TOO!

Yeah, and I should have to store my golf clubs at the club house because I could beat someone to death with it.

And again, I have to register my car. And no, the government didn't just come and take away as soon as I did.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by GoinAllTheWay

And you could very well be wrong about that. The RCMP just changed the classification of a once unrestricted firearm to prohibited overnight without any official announcement. Guess how they are going to try to track down the owners of this particular rifle?

From the reminants of the long gun registry.

Yeah...that's kind of the point of it.

[GoinAllTheWay]

Yes, I understand that. My post was in response to him saying Canadian registry has never lead to to the confiscation of a firearm.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by wittynickname

Again, explain to me why the government shouldn't have a list of what guns you own? The government knows how many/what vehicle(s) people own, why not do the same with guns? Outside of fear-mongering "they're gonna take our guns!" I cannot see any reason why a registry is a bad idea.

If you obtain guns legally, and use them legally, a registry isn't going to affect you.

How do you get criminals to register ther guns?

[Coach]

Originally Posted by PIMking

That's like saying, Well you can own a house, just cant live in it....

My house doesn't F***ing kill people!

How does this not get through some of your heads?

Nothing acts like or is a gun except for a gun. Nothing else shoots projectiles at an obscene rate solely meant to bring death upon another living thing. You want to go into the woods and pretend to be Rambo? I welcome you to airsoft and paintball.

Not only that. We have to register and pay insurance on cars and houses to protect against damage being done to me or others. What's the insurance rate for the liability of your gun being stolen and used in a shooting/robbery? What's the liability rate of accidentally shooting another person?

These comparisons are completely ridiculous.

[Galakanokis]

Originally Posted by PIMking

I reload all my own ammo, I buy the powder and bullets and prep cases. Mostly because my ammo is better than anything I can get on the market and it takes some math on powder/bullet seating ect to get the perfect round.

I probably have close to 450 rounds of 223 loaded up right now in different weight bullets and powder and different uses like deer, hog, yote

I have a couple hundred rounds of .45 acp just ball ammo for target and 350 rounds of 9mm ball ammo for target.

The reason why a lot people have "stockpiles" of ammo is because most don't shoot a box of ammo at the range and go home. Instead of buying $200 in ammo at one time they buy it over periods.

Sure, still don't see the need for the amount you have. I have to buy supplies to camping or hunting no reason the amount of ammo need couldn't be purchased at said time.

Wasn't Chris Rock that alluded to fixing the gun crime with jacking up the costs of bullets in a comedy act? Basically make a bullet cost $5000 so people will be a little more mindful of what they do with them. I think this was more around drive bys but the point could still apply.

I get guns as a hobby and gun club would make perfect sense. As far as hunting goes I think a select few rifles with appropriate magazines would suffice.

Probably saw it on twitter but I thought I read that there have already been 4100 guns deaths in America this year?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by GoinAllTheWay

And you could very well be wrong about that. The RCMP just changed the classification of a once unrestricted firearm to prohibited overnight without any official announcement. Guess how they are going to try to track down the owners of this particular rifle?

From the reminants of the long gun registry.

They used that in High River to bust down peoples doors and confiscate peoples guns. Some homeowners had their homes ransacked as the RCMP looked for guns on that registry. Guns I might add that were safely stored. Others that had guns that weren't on the registry didn't have their guns taken.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by PIMking

sure, you can own that Corvette, but you have to go to the race track to drive it and it has to be stored there.

Oh I get it...Corvette's are just like guns, perfect comparison. I think militaries everywhere should be stocking up on Corvette's to ensure arms superiority, right?

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by PIMking

That's fine that you feel that way. Just show me a government that hasn't.

Nazi Germany.

Does that surprise you? Do you believe the historical fallacy, oft-repeated by NRA supporters, that Hitler confiscated guns from the German citizens during his rise to power? In fact, Hitler did just the opposite, relaxing Germany's gun control laws.

A brief history lesson:

In 1919, following the end of WWI, the German government banned private ownership of firearms through the Regulations on Weapons Ownership Act. A decade later, in 1928, the Weimer Republic passed a law that allowed Germans to own firearms but with restrictions and regulations (including registration). Another decade after that, in 1938, Hitler's Third Reich enacted the German Weapons Act which further relaxed the previous 1928 law. Under Hitler's rule, control of firearms only extended to handguns; long guns and ammunition were no longer regulated. However, just as with the previous 1928 law, firearm ownership records were maintained. The end result of Hitler's gun law was that the German people were more armed under the Nazi regime than they were previously, yet somehow the NRA fantasy of a citizen militia overthrowing a tyrannical government never occurred.

Of course, Hitler's 1938 gun law did ban Jews from owning firearms. Perhaps you're among those who naively think that the Holocaust could have been prevented if only Germany's Jewish population could have fought back against the tyranny and oppression of the Nazis. To that facile point, all I can say is the following: the Third Reich was defeated at the cost of nearly ~30 million dead Allied soldiers. These were trained military personnel armed with tanks, artillery, and aircraft. Realistically, what chance would an untrained and uncoordinated Jewish militia armed with light weapons have had against the Wehrmacht?

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_leg...an_Weapons_Act

[Flash Walken]

An addendum to that, March, is that even the US militias, where this whole argument is rooted, would have been trounced if it were for the patronage of France.

Armies get beaten with Armies.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by PIMking

Never bow hunted but I'm starting to get the itch. I'd be scared that I'd lose the animal from clean shot.

I don't hunt(haven't in 35 years) but one of my best buds is a huge bow hunter and strictly bows for 10 years, he says he is every bit as accurate with a bow as he was with a rifle, he hunts Elk,Bear,Moose and Deer and even came within 3/8 inch of the record for a mule deer in Alberta (somewhere around 205..whatever that means? doh!)

Trade in your "useless" AR-15's (or better yet destroy them...ha) and buy a nice bow

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Originally Posted by T@T

Trade in your "useless" AR-15's (or better yet destroy them...ha) and buy a nice bow

Orrrrrr....you could buy a kick ass SLR camera and:

1) Challenge yourself even further (its not just about getting something in your crosshairs...its about doing that AND composing an interesting image)

2) Since you aren't killing anything (I know I know...it sucks) you can 'shoot' year round

Just throwing it out there...

However, if you are going to hunt...bows are much more bad ass than a firearm.

[GirlySports]

This mentally ill misogynistic POS apparently was racist as well (and his internet postings shed light on his murder of three Chinese students)

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2014/0...istic-website/

Full Asian men are disgustingly ugly and white girls would never go for you. You’re just butthurt that you were born as an asian piece of ####, so you lash out by linking these fake pictures. You even admit that you wish you were half white. You’ll never be half-white and you’ll never fulfill your dream of marrying a white woman. I suggest you jump off a bridge.

[Fozzie_DeBear]

It is striking to me how many chances 'the system' had for intervening with this guy...police at his house, I think he was meeting with a psychologist, his parents were aware of his problems (did they know about his guns?).

The system failed...

[Resolute 14]

Meanwhile, the New York Post ran bikini pictures of the girl he fixated on. Classy as ######.

[foshizzle11]

All of the things that pointed to him doing this is amazing. I feel bad for the guy in that having a social disorder like he did could lead him to believe that people, strangers he didn't know were evil and needed to be "eliminated" as he put it.

Maybe the authorities should send a behaviorist to the door next time instead of a couple beat cops, or maybe his parents should have gone with them. Seems weird that his parents didn't go to him when they suspected something was up.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by foshizzle11

All of the things that pointed to him doing this is amazing. I feel bad for the guy in that having a social disorder like he did could lead him to believe that people, strangers he didn't know were evil and needed to be "eliminated" as he put it.

Maybe the authorities should send a behaviorist to the door next time instead of a couple beat cops, or maybe his parents should have gone with them. Seems weird that his parents didn't go to him when they suspected something was up.

They did. As soon as they saw his manifesto and YouTube video, they called the cops and desperately tried to reach him.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/elliot-...late-1.2653985

The mother went to her son's YouTube channel and found the video in which he threatens to kill people. She alerted authorities and set off frantically with her ex-husband to Santa Barbara.

By the time they arrived, it was too late: their son had killed six people and then, authorities say, himself.

"They're in deep, deep grief," family friend Simon Astaire said Sunday as he recounted the family's ordeal. "Their grief which is nearly unbearable to be close to is as much for the loss of their son as for the victims."

It was the second time in recent months that Rodger's mother tried to intervene. In April, she had called one of her son's counsellors after seeing bizarre videos he had posted on YouTube, though not the disturbing one he posted shortly before the killings, Astaire said. The counsellor called a mental health service, which then called police.

[driveway]

Originally Posted by foshizzle11

All of the things that pointed to him doing this is amazing. I feel bad for the guy in that having a social disorder like he did could lead him to believe that people, strangers he didn't know were evil and needed to be "eliminated" as he put it.

Or conversely he was a psychopathic monster who developed a convenient narrative for himself to explain his desire to murder.

[Thor]

I just can't stand the blame game, can we not ever learn to accept that there will always be mentally disturbed people who commit heinous acts.

Of course we do what we can within reason to try to catch people before they get to this point but its impossible that this ends with removing guns or anything that extreme. No doubt however the US gun laws are a joke and a lot can be done there, but even with doing that it will never stop someone intent on causing harm, we can only minimize it.

The media's obsession with the blame game is brutal, of course within the noise is some smart people actually talking sense in regards to laws but we hear everything from the guy has homo tendencies to, was he an atheist, moral decay of society!, feminism, etc.. When the answer is much simpler, he's a disturbed individual.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

I'm not in to comment on gun control directly.

Only that I have trouble understanding the philosophy of gun rights in the United States and want to thank PIMking for helping me see the other side of the issue (I still don't fully get it).

I take pride in understanding viewpoints I don't necessarily agree with, and if I can understand how someone gets to their conclusion I try and be respectful of that. Having never grown up around guns, I find understanding gun advocacy difficult.

Kudos.

I may not agree, but that doesn't mean I never will, I'm always open to listening and having my mind changed.