Russia invades Ukraine

[nik-]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

is this actually entertainment to some people ?

A bowl of popcorn, a glass of coke, a dark room, a comfy couch and 27 drone videos queued up on YouTube.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

is this actually entertainment to some people ?

I was entertained

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

is this actually entertainment to some people ?

... first day on the internet?

Let me tell you, there are more disturbing things than this that people are qualifying as entertainment out there.

I believe this points to some profound societal rot. The buddhists or hindus may say that this is evidence of the Kali Yuga and just part of samsara. Mass desensitization.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

fair enough . I think i stopped watching the hd quality videos of violence from ukraine in the first month because I don't think bingeing real life violence like that to the point of desensitization is healthy

but I don't take pleasure in watching russian soldiers get obliterated like some here . they are still human lives and while some were probably deserving given the accounts of what has happened there some also didn't choose to be there and were probaly barely trained and scared .. well .. s***less

people let their darker pleasures and curiosities run free on the internet but I don't know if just because people do it that its something to wear as a badge of honour necessarily . but that's just me

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

"We're lucky they are so ####ing stupid."

Truer words have never been spoken.

these soldiers will go back to Russia telling tales of the lives of luxury Ukrainians live in, which will sow further discontent

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

fair enough . I think i stopped watching the hd quality videos of violence from ukraine in the first month because I don't think bingeing real life violence like that to the point of desensitization is healthy

but I don't take pleasure in watching russian soldiers get obliterated like some here . they are still human lives and while some were probably deserving given the accounts of what has happened there some also didn't choose to be there and were probaly barely trained and scared .. well .. s***less

people let their darker pleasures and curiosities run free on the internet but I don't know if just because people do it that its something to wear as a badge of honour necessarily . but that's just me

ok

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

fair enough . I think i stopped watching the hd quality videos of violence from ukraine in the first month because I don't think bingeing real life violence like that to the point of desensitization is healthy

but I don't take pleasure in watching russian soldiers get obliterated like some here . they are still human lives and while some were probably deserving given the accounts of what has happened there some also didn't choose to be there and were probaly barely trained and scared .. well .. s***less

people let their darker pleasures and curiosities run free on the internet but I don't know if just because people do it that its something to wear as a badge of honour necessarily . but that's just me

when someone admits they watch people getting dismembered online in their spare time my first reaction would be that they might want to get some help with that .. not to fist bump them like it's perfectly normal and healthy behaviour

Yeah, I largely agree. Laughing about some poor Mobik from siberia getting killed while ####ting is tasteless. But, war brings out the worse in everyone. This will get replied to by saying they shouldn't be there in the first place... and they shouldn't. But being a peasant from siberia and being forced to do something you likely don't have the slightest idea about... it's just pathetic and sad all around. Yeah it ####ing sucks they are there and they should leave. That doesn't mean we all have to celebrate the loss of life. You're not alone in your thoughts but it may be best to just leave people to find their own sanity in this disaster. If watching poor infantrymen get grenades dropped on their heads does that for you... well, I pity you but get on with it.

[nik-]

Go ahead and pity me because I'm pretty down with seeing the soldiers raping and pillaging a country getting blown the #### up.

I guess I'm just sick like that.

[Monahammer]

Ok. I hope you are well.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Ok. I hope you are well.

Thank you.

[afc wimbledon]

The weird thing is I used to love watching gopro videos from Syria when that kicked off but it was almost all taken from tanks or AFV's or taken shooting at them, there weren't really any people in them, I could care less about drone videos frankly

[Monahammer]

For the record, I never said anyone was "sick" for partaking in this. People deal with stress, grief, and the frankly barbaric global situation we are descending into in different ways. If this is your way of dealing with it, proceed. But don't expect everyone to also cope that way or even think of it in the same terms.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

For the record, I never said anyone was "sick" for partaking in this. People deal with stress, grief, and the frankly barbaric global situation we are descending into in different ways. If this is your way of dealing with it, proceed. But don't expect everyone to also cope that way or even think of it in the same terms.

I don't think it's reasonable to think anyone should feel any specific way about those types of videos. They are brutal. Your reaction isn't illogical.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by nik-

Go ahead and pity me because I'm pretty down with seeing the soldier's raping and pillaging a country getting blown the #### up.

I guess I'm just sick like that.

it's mostly just concern I'd say

yes justice should be brought to those that raped and pillaged but there are soul-less apples in every army , just as there also some decent soldiers too . I don't think it justifies them all being wiped out horribly for the crimes of the handful that went too far and committed crimes outside of their duties . those who raped and terrorized citizens and those who commanded the invasion are deserving of the kind of fate that it warrants but you have to think that any one of us could have easily been born russian and grown to be an honest hard working family man with no appetite to dominate a foreign country for the sake of a soul-less state leader but was conscripted anyways and pulled into a terrible situation

and those could also very well be some of the people youre munching popcorn to while they get massacred .. just worth thinking about

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

it's mostly just concern I'd say

yes justice should be brought to those that raped and pillaged but there are soul-less apples in every army , just as there also some decent soldiers too . I don't think it justifies them all being wiped out horribly for the crimes of the handful that went too far and committed crimes outside of their duties . those who raped and terrorized citizens and those who commanded the invasion are deserving of the kind of fate that it warrants but you have to think that any one of us could have easily been born russian and grown to be an honest hard working family man with no appetite to dominate a foreign country for the sake of a soul-less state leader but was conscripted anyways and pulled into a terrible situation

and those could also very well be some of the people youre munching popcorn to while they get massacred .. just worth thinking about

But the reality is that Ukrainians need to kill all Russians in Ukraine or they will be killed.

It literally is a kill or be killed situation.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Yeah, I largely agree. Laughing about some poor Mobik from siberia getting killed while ####ting is tasteless. But, war brings out the worse in everyone. This will get replied to by saying they shouldn't be there in the first place... and they shouldn't. But being a peasant from siberia and being forced to do something you likely don't have the slightest idea about... it's just pathetic and sad all around. Yeah it ####ing sucks they are there and they should leave. That doesn't mean we all have to celebrate the loss of life. You're not alone in your thoughts but it may be best to just leave people to find their own sanity in this disaster. If watching poor infantrymen get grenades dropped on their heads does that for you... well, I pity you but get on with it.

That specific video is several months old now and was before the mass mobilization civilian, so it is likely that this particular soldier signed up to do Putin's work.

No matter what the circumstances, one less Russian killing Ukrainians is a good thing.

[burn_this_city]

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[Sliver]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

it's mostly just concern I'd say

yes justice should be brought to those that raped and pillaged but there are soul-less apples in every army , just as there also some decent soldiers too . I don't think it justifies them all being wiped out horribly for the crimes of the handful that went too far and committed crimes outside of their duties . those who raped and terrorized citizens and those who commanded the invasion are deserving of the kind of fate that it warrants but you have to think that any one of us could have easily been born russian and grown to be an honest hard working family man with no appetite to dominate a foreign country for the sake of a soul-less state leader but was conscripted anyways and pulled into a terrible situation

and those could also very well be some of the people youre munching popcorn to while they get massacred .. just worth thinking about

Are they being massacred? I haven't seen Russians being massacred. I've seen them get injured/killed in onesie twosies.

What is the alternative? They are invading another country with the intent to dominate it and its population. They won't leave if you ask nicely, so war it is. Every Russian you kill weakens their army and potentially saves Ukrainian lives. Zooming out and looking at it as humans killing other humans needlessly is reasonable, but that kind of pontificating hardly matters or helps the people whose country has been invaded and citizens have been raped/killed. I mean, yeah, I'm sure the Ukrainians have killed a bunch of nice guys that would have been fun to hang out with, but on the other hand, how the fata are you going to differentiate between the nice-guy Russians and the raping Russians on the battlefield? You can't.

Fair enough for your reminder post, but it's hardly anything any thoughtful person hasn't considered. With respect to watching these videos...literally nobody is wearing their interest in watching them as a badge of honour as you suggested. That's preposterous.

The videos are fascinating in that we're seeing a totally new style of fighting/new weapon class that we've never seen in other wars. It's remarkable. If it's of no interest to you or too morbid to watch, I get it, but it's hardly a personality fault to take interest in them. Ever watch a WWII, Vietnam or Korean War documentary or movie? Ever read a book on war? This is the same thing. I think people can appreciate the horror of it all, but it's the same as watching tornado footage, hurricane footage, floods sweeping away people, avalanches killing people, etc. There is something that piques our curiosity about these things. Maybe it is entertainment. Maybe it's our brains wanting to learn about a new risk we could potentially face.

I think these little drone videos are akin to the first planes used in WWI. What we're seeing - IMO - is a seismic shift in the way wars will operate. Wait until 500 or 5,000 or 50,000 of these little drones are sent on an attack mission in the not-too-distant future. Frankly, it'd be weird to not want to see and learn about these. This is fataing major, dude.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

But the reality is that Ukrainians need to kill all Russians in Ukraine or they will be killed.

It literally is a kill or be killed situation.

yeah and in that sense my preference was that they kill . but my preference above that is that putin would be so overwhelmed by resources spent and failures to hold territories that he would withdraw altogether . and again while within the confines of the war I was firmly with Ukraine I was never relishing the deaths on either side

unless someone brings me news of these rapists being put in a firing line , then there will be some consolation

but I also don't need to see it in 4K lol ..

[curves2000]

Although I am firmly on Team Ukraine here, there is a sadness across the board to the actual soldiers and their families and this entire situation across the board on both sides. Nobody will actually win this in the end and the ill affects will be felt on both sides for generation.

At the end of the day, the game of life is played by a small group of mostly men in power, who have the power to stop tragedy like this or minimize damage. It's the little guy and his family who end up paying the price for the decisions from above.

Not every Russian solider is who we think they are and the same goes for Ukraine as well. I know I know, Russia has no business in Ukraine, and that is true. Does this same apply to our beloved Canadian soldiers who were injured or killed in Afghanistan?

What would we say about some Afghan who hypothetically was cheering and entertained that John from Calgary, Canada having his leg's and arm's blown off by a roadside bomber? Now this poor solider will have a lifetime of tragedy ahead of him and will be completely ignored and forgotten by his government, associated ministries and the general population for all intensive purposes. Ironic thing being that this has happened under both Liberal and Conservative government's in power.


Just because we are all mostly on the same side of the same cause, doesn't mean that the tragedy in all of this is any less if the situation was reversed in some ways.