02-06-2019, 01:17 PM
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#9041
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Calgary
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Burke was on 960 the other day and (paraphrasing) said essentially that the Flames were extremely frustrated with Ferland towards the end of last season, due to his inconsistency, and had tried everything they could think of to get him going with minimal results. As a result, they traded him.
I like playoffs Ferland from a few years ago, but Ferland of today just screams Glencross (around the time he went to the Caps) to me.
Flames should either stay in the pocket and do a couple minor depth moves, or swing for the Fences and snag Mark Stone.
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02-06-2019, 01:17 PM
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#9042
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GranteedEV
I still don't buy this.
Gaudreau tweeted out to Ferland when we traded him, hasn't done that for anyone else.
Tkachuk was chumming it up with Ferly pre-game when he came to Calgary with the Canes.
Treliving himself explicitly had praise for Ferland after the trade and said it was a tough piece to lose. Radio silence for Hamilton on the other hand.
If Ferland was moved out for locker room reasons why would these three guys - our best forward, arguably our future captain, and our GM, have gone out of their way to treat him so well?
Ferland was moved because he was a pending UFA and Hanifin and Lindholm were high-end RFAs. It was asset management.
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I think Ferland was a well liked teammate but Burke said on the radio recently that management felt Ferland quit on the team. They said there was no getting through to him when he was struggling last year. That coupled with his contract demands are likely why he was included in the trade this summer.
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02-06-2019, 05:56 PM
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#9043
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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McKenzie speculates the Predators might package a high end prospect like Tolvanen and their 1st round pick to chase Panarin, Duchene, or Stone.
https://www.nicholsonhockey.com/arch...g-game-hunting
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02-06-2019, 06:06 PM
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#9044
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Barthelona
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
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Can anyone explain why Tolvanen is so highly thought of? I haven't seen him play, but his numbers throughout his career, outside of one season in the KHL, don't really make me think "high-end prospect".
I've seen his name pop up in top prospect discussions more than a few times, and Yahoo fantasy hockey had him quite high up the "top available players" list for a long time this year despite him being in the AHL.
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k im just not going to respond to your #### anymore because i have better things to do like #### my model girlfriend rather then try to convince people like you of commonly held hockey knowledge.
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02-06-2019, 06:08 PM
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#9045
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
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F off Nashville, I don't want them to get any of those guys.
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02-06-2019, 06:11 PM
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#9046
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mass_nerder
Can anyone explain why Tolvanen is so highly thought of? I haven't seen him play, but his numbers throughout his career, outside of one season in the KHL, don't really make me think "high-end prospect".
I've seen his name pop up in top prospect discussions more than a few times, and Yahoo fantasy hockey had him quite high up the "top available players" list for a long time this year despite him being in the AHL.
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Pure shooter. Like Wahlstrom. Them kinds are highly valued.
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02-06-2019, 06:17 PM
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#9047
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: San Francisco
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2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors
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Originally Posted by Mass_nerder
Can anyone explain why Tolvanen is so highly thought of? I haven't seen him play, but his numbers throughout his career, outside of one season in the KHL, don't really make me think "high-end prospect".
I've seen his name pop up in top prospect discussions more than a few times, and Yahoo fantasy hockey had him quite high up the "top available players" list for a long time this year despite him being in the AHL.
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Because he put up points in the pond hockey league that is the KHL and was highly touted the year before the draft but dropped. He looked pretty pedestrian in the word juniors and was one of their older guys. Also not really tearing up the AHL and he’s undersized. I don’t know who they are trying to trick tbh. He’s no blue chip.
Dube was much better at the World Juniors and has been much better in the AHL and they are a year apart in age, they are nuts if they think Tolvanen is going to be enough
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02-06-2019, 06:26 PM
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#9048
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
F off Nashville, I don't want them to get any of those guys.
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Stone is exactly the guy i see preds getting
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02-06-2019, 06:30 PM
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#9049
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Thomas Chabot confirmed on the intermission that if the Flames wouldn't have traded for Dougie in the 2015 Draft, they would have taken him at 14. Went 4 picks later to OTT at 18. Flames flew him out for a tour of city and arena.
Our scouting team seems spot on identifying really good players in middle of first round.
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This deal is DONE, im not sure what the worry is. Heatly is an Oiler, just some paperwork to get done. This isnt another Nylander incident
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02-06-2019, 06:37 PM
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#9050
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Captaincanada80
Thomas Chabot confirmed on the intermission that if the Flames wouldn't have traded for Dougie in the 2015 Draft, they would have taken him at 14. Went 4 picks later to OTT at 18. Flames flew him out for a tour of city and arena.
Our scouting team seems spot on identifying really good players in middle of first round.
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A visit with the team doesn't mean they were drafting him, just inidicates a reasonable interest.
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02-06-2019, 06:44 PM
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#9051
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by bigrangy
A visit with the team doesn't mean they were drafting him, just inidicates a reasonable interest.
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Regardless of the outcome, all I’m saying is it’s nice having a scouting dept able to identify a top 6-8 talent 8 spots higher than he was taken. If a re-Draft happened today he would prob end up 8th.
McDavid
Eichel
Marner
Rantanen
Werenski
Barzal
Hanifin
Chabot
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Originally Posted by oilboy2
This deal is DONE, im not sure what the worry is. Heatly is an Oiler, just some paperwork to get done. This isnt another Nylander incident
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02-06-2019, 06:45 PM
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#9052
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#1 Goaltender
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If the Preds add any of those players they are going to be lethal team.
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02-06-2019, 06:49 PM
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#9053
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Husky
Stone is exactly the guy i see preds getting
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Shhh! Don't say such nasty things.
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02-06-2019, 07:51 PM
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#9054
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
F off Nashville, I don't want them to get any of those guys.
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Meh. Let's not put the cart ahead of the horse. The Flames need to win two rounds before they even have a chance of playing the Predators in the playoffs. A 50/50 chance the Preds lose to the Jets anyway.
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02-06-2019, 08:04 PM
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#9055
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Lethbridge Alberta
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Originally Posted by Fire
Meh. Let's not put the cart ahead of the horse. The Flames need to win two rounds before they even have a chance of playing the Predators in the playoffs. A 50/50 chance the Preds lose to the Jets anyway.
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Preds and Jets beat the hell out of each other last playoffs. It will happen again.
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02-06-2019, 08:07 PM
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#9056
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Franchise Player
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I'd rather save whatever assets the team would use to trade for a rental and spend them instead dumping Neal's contract at the draft.
Then hopefully make a push for Stone if he actually makes it to UFA.
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02-06-2019, 08:31 PM
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#9057
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GranteedEV
I still don't buy this.
Gaudreau tweeted out to Ferland when we traded him, hasn't done that for anyone else.
Tkachuk was chumming it up with Ferly pre-game when he came to Calgary with the Canes.
Treliving himself explicitly had praise for Ferland after the trade and said it was a tough piece to lose. Radio silence for Hamilton on the other hand.
If Ferland was moved out for locker room reasons why would these three guys - our best forward, arguably our future captain, and our GM, have gone out of their way to treat him so well?
Ferland was moved because he was a pending UFA and Hanifin and Lindholm were high-end RFAs. It was asset management.
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Locker room issues were not the issue, but as Burke stated, management was not satisfied with his performance, he mailed it in and wanted too much money. Of course he was still a popular player and well liked, but they(Burke/Tre) were not satisfied with his performance.
You can be a great guy and well liked at the office, loyal to your teammates and all that. But if you make too much money and do not perform, they look to move you. I flat out do not believe the Flames are looking to re-acquire him, its just rumours. Of course Tre is not going to go public about any of his negative concerns, if anything there is attendance to pump the guys you traded to make the other team look good
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02-06-2019, 08:35 PM
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#9058
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Van Island
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bigrangy
I'd rather save whatever assets the team would use to trade for a rental and spend them instead dumping Neal's contract at the draft.
Then hopefully make a push for Stone if he actually makes it to UFA.
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That’s an interesting play.
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02-06-2019, 08:39 PM
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#9059
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Van Island
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If Neal has a lack lustre playoffs for us would a first rounder be enough to take his salary off our hands? Then we could go after a Stone.
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02-06-2019, 08:55 PM
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#9060
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by MrMike
If Neal has a lack lustre playoffs for us would a first rounder be enough to take his salary off our hands? Then we could go after a Stone.
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I suggested a second and was laughed at...
If I were you I’d either duck or get a helmet, certain folks around here don’t take kindly to those type of suggestions.
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