2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Couldn't Sean Monahan be to this team was Jeff Carter was to his L.A Kings teams. A center with finishing ability that isn't the best defensively.

Carter at time of trade to L.A. : Age- 27, GP-500, Goals - 196, PPG- 0.74, Hits - 239

Monahan career to date: Age-26, GP-566, Goals - 199, PPG- 0.76, Hits - 312

Very similar players IMO that are at similar points in their careers when they started to be coached by Sutter.

Just a reminder, Jeff Carter played on Mike Richards' wing in 2012. Carter was eventually pushed to center the second line a couple years later though.

[powderjunkie]

mildly surprising TIL: Hanifin is only 20 months older than Valimaki.

Hanifin-Andersson
Valimaki-Tanev

A pretty ideal top 4 to move forward with. 3 possibilities to emerge as a true #1, but even if they all max out as 2/3 guys it's still very solid.


Enough trying to fix this forward core by robbing Peter to pay Paul (unless the Peter is named Chiarelli). It's time to switch up a few of the big 4, or even the big 7 (Backlund, Dube, Mangi) if necessary.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

It’s probably less to do with Valimaki and more to do with a guy like Mackey.

We already know Valimaki will take over a top 4 role here soon with Andersson, Tanev and Hanifin.

If Mackey progresses into top 4 material it softens the risk of trading Hanifin.

Gio can fill a #4 role, or that’s easily addressed in free agency. Hanifin is great to have, if we had an elite forward group. But it’s missing a key piece.

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Couldn't Sean Monahan be to this team was Jeff Carter was to his L.A Kings teams. A center with finishing ability that isn't the best defensively.

Carter at time of trade to L.A. : Age- 27, GP-500, Goals - 196, PPG- 0.74, Hits - 239

Monahan career to date: Age-26, GP-566, Goals - 199, PPG- 0.76, Hits - 312

Very similar players IMO that are at similar points in their careers when they started to be coached by Sutter.

Not to say they shouldn’t trade him in the right deal, but to think he has to be traded because of who the coach is now just isn’t true.

Problem is Carter was in a secondary role, Monahan isn't. Sure they might have the same finishing skill-set (Carter is a much better skater), but the fact Carter was nestled in behind Kopitar and his line, it put him and Richards in a much better position to succeed.

The Flames unfortunately don't have that top line centre that has the skill-set or impact of 2012 Kopitar, if they did Monahan would be in a much better place to succeed in the playoffs.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by CGY12

Problem is Carter was in a secondary role, Monahan isn't. Sure they might have the same finishing skill-set (Carter is a much better skater), but the fact Carter was nestled in behind Kopitar and his line, it put him and Richards in a much better position to succeed.

The Flames unfortunately don't have that top line centre that has the skill-set or impact of 2012 Kopitar, if they did Monahan would be in a much better place to succeed in the playoffs.

Lindholm could potentially be that player.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Lindholm could potentially be that player.

This team isn't going to have a Kopitar level player.

Issue is there are a handful of those players in the league.

But with Lindholm and Backlund at center the team needs those two to be able to fill the role that Kopitar did in terms of producing offense while also taking the tough match ups.

Not going to be able to replicate him 1:1 but needs to be done by committee by those two.

Problem with Gaudreau-Monahan-Whoever is that even against lesser matchups they haven't been able to product at 5v5 in the last 12 months. So they need to figure that out.

If Lindholm/Backlund can take the tougher match ups, and Gaudreau-Monahan get back to being able to outplay other teams third line at 5v5 then the team should be fine. Especially with how good Ryan has looked since coming back from injury and really anchoring a strong 4th line.

[genetic_phreek]

Originally Posted by flambers

Its not, Flames would need to add for sure.

Flyers however won't trade Konecny either

Flames would not be needing to add if Trading Gaudreau for Konecny.

Just for perspective, what would you think 1 year of Gaudreau is worth to most teams right now?

If Gaudreau was traded next year before trade deadline, he's still commanding a 1st rd pick +.

This trade deadline he's still getting half a year, plus next year. There's certainly more value and he's not a rental type player. The only leverage Philly would ever have on this deal is that Gaudreau grew up a fan and is from the area.

I'm a huge fan of Konecny and love his style of play, which I also think would suit our team better than Gaudreau, but Gaudreau's worth is not equal to Konecny, it's worth much more.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

Flames would not be needing to add if Trading Gaudreau for Konecny.

Just for perspective, what would you think 1 year of Gaudreau is worth to most teams right now?

If Gaudreau was traded next year before trade deadline, he's still commanding a 1st rd pick +.

This trade deadline he's still getting half a year, plus next year. There's certainly more value and he's not a rental type player. The only leverage Philly would ever have on this deal is that Gaudreau grew up a fan and is from the area.

I'm a huge fan of Konecny and love his style of play, which I also think would suit our team better than Gaudreau, but Gaudreau's worth is not equal to Konecny, it's worth much more.

Next year Gaudreau can pretty much designate where he wants to go, if anywhere, so his price will reflect that. He has a 5 team trade list. So he lists Philly, Edmonton and three other teams that can't afford him or don't want or need him. Philly says "I'll give you a second and some junk players".

[flambers]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

If Gaudreau was traded next year before trade deadline, he's still commanding a 1st rd pick +.

Sure, its likely a late 1st round pick

[Calgary4LIfe]

Trading Hanifin and not making another trade to back-fill his position is going to create a serious hole.


I love Valimaki, but he is still making mistakes on coverage in the defensive zone. Sutter is here now, and I think he is magic with D, but until Valimaki plays like a number 4, he shouldn't be a number 4. I think maybe next season he will be - probably the season after for sure. I would bank my life savings on that happening. However, for this season, there is no way Valimaki can replace the solid play of Hanifin.



Trading Hanifin out better be bringing back an absolute gem of a piece up front in a lop-sided trade to make it worth it, because it will create a huge hole on the backend.


Now, if you want to then trade some talent in the forward group to backfill, then you just make the argument that you are doing it to change the 'mix', or that overall these trades made Calgary more talented. That's fine.


Maybe trading picks and prospects for a #4 D is also done to backfill for Hanifin.


I just don't see this team being able to replace Hanifin on the backend right now, and I do think it would leave an awfully big hole that makes the strengthening of the forward group largely irrelevant when it comes to trying to win.

[Toonage]

Hanifin & Tanev are one of the top pairings in the league right now.

Trading Hanifin right now would be dumb. IMO. Especially as they push for a playoff spot.

Trading a lump of core players for players from random teams when the team at large is getting used to a new coach and vice versa is also not the best idea.

Keep everyone until the deadline, if you're out of it then, make some moves. Otherwise re-assess in the off season.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Hanifin & Tanev are one of the top pairings in the league right now.

Trading Hanifin right now would be dumb. IMO. Especially as they push for a playoff spot.

Trading a lump of core players for players from random teams when the team at large is getting used to a new coach and vice versa is also not the best idea.

Keep everyone until the deadline, if you're out of it then, make some moves. Otherwise re-assess in the off season.

For sure, Flames will wait for the deadline to see where they are in the standings.

However if they fall out of the race

Flames have to make some tough decisions

[GioforPM]

Hanifin is on a sweet contract, especially if he continues to improve. I think you'd need a really good trade to pry him out of here.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

Flames would not be needing to add if Trading Gaudreau for Konecny.

Just for perspective, what would you think 1 year of Gaudreau is worth to most teams right now?

If Gaudreau was traded next year before trade deadline, he's still commanding a 1st rd pick +.

This trade deadline he's still getting half a year, plus next year. There's certainly more value and he's not a rental type player. The only leverage Philly would ever have on this deal is that Gaudreau grew up a fan and is from the area.

I'm a huge fan of Konecny and love his style of play, which I also think would suit our team better than Gaudreau, but Gaudreau's worth is not equal to Konecny, it's worth much more.

Here's the thing, you can argue that 1.5 years of JG should be worth more than 4.5 of TK at a lower AAV, and it may be true in some instances (BOS and PIT are the only two teams that really jump out for me in that regard), but IMO most of the league would prefer Konecny all things considered.

In this case, PHI is the only team that matters, and I just don't the see the reason for them to do it. For one thing, they only have 4 RHS forwards. They are also in the toughest division where a really good team is going to miss the PO's...right now it's them based on Pt%.

JVR is already playing well above expectations...I'm not sure adding 1-way LW is what they need at the moment.

Originally Posted by Toonage

Trading a lump of core players for players from random teams when the team at large is getting used to a new coach and vice versa is also not the best idea.

Keep everyone until the deadline, if you're out of it then, make some moves. Otherwise re-assess in the off season.

Deadline is Apr 12, but I imagine a lot of teams will want to make their moves sooner - especially if they have their schedule break before then.

[868904]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Just a reminder, Jeff Carter played on Mike Richards' wing in 2012. Carter was eventually pushed to center the second line a couple years later though.

Carter is also a really good skater in addition to being a good shooter. Carter was also on the replacement squad of the 2010 Olympic team prior to Sutter getting there and he was on the 2014 team.

The stats might be similar but I think Carter was a superior player.

[BMStrikesAgain]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Just a reminder, Jeff Carter played on Mike Richards' wing in 2012. Carter was eventually pushed to center the second line a couple years later though.

eh? huh? "That's 70s line!" was pretty popular during that cup run. Dwight king (74), carter(77) and tyler toffoli (73)

[FanIn80]

Gotta say I'm interested in not worrying about trading either Johnny or Monny, and instead giving Darryl this season and (hopefully) the playoffs to see what he can do with them.

[Bs&Cs]

Originally Posted by BMStrikesAgain

eh? huh? "That's 70s line!" was pretty popular during that cup run. Dwight king (74), carter(77) and tyler toffoli (73)

That 70s Line was the 2014 cup run, and it was Carter, Toffoli and Tanner Pearson, who wore 70.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by BMStrikesAgain

eh? huh? "That's 70s line!" was pretty popular during that cup run. Dwight king (74), carter(77) and tyler toffoli (73)

2012 - Dustin Penner - Mike Richards - Jeff Carter
2014 - Tanner Pearson - Jeff Carter - Tyler Toffoli

[BMStrikesAgain]

oops! lol