October 6 - So it Begins - The Alberta Teacher Strike

[Looch City]

Need air traffic controllers to strike in Alberta so Smith is stuck in the Middle East.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by getbak

That's what happened in Ontario when Ford tried to do this to school support staff a few years ago. The police refused to issue any tickets, so there wasn't much the government could do to enforce it.

There's significant chatter about rolling sick days at a school board level coming. If the whole school calls in sick, what can you do?...There's certainly not ample subs lining up to work in this clown show.

Police and Nurses can take similar action, as can other unionized members. The general public can certainly and should plan to act in large rallies showing support for unionized workers in the provinces major centers this weekend as well.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Any word on where the freedom convoy is planning to park all of their trucks in protest of this government overreach?

Oh they're only concerned about rights and freedoms when it concerns their pocket books in some delusional self serving way. But aren't they all heroes?

I have quite honestly never seen a bunch of idiots that are more hypocritical than that group of losers. If they actually gave a damn about Canada or freedoms they certainly would be all over this. It was clear before, but their inaction now just further cements how shameful that group really is/was.

[5abi]

I’ve always been a pro referendum guy, but this move by the ucp scares me. Imagine these people with no Cheques or balances at all

[#-3]

Originally Posted by The Fisher Account

Spouse is just crushed and disenchanted today.

Actually created an Indeed account last night to start looking at other careers (10+ years as a teacher in Alberta)

Put all of the other stuff aside, as a taxpayer, as a parent, and feel a certain level of agency as a employer here, and have 90% of the work force being pushed to work under conditions they did not accept is going to lead to poor quality of work, poor retention and poor recruiting. This is just terrible for Teachers, Children

I work in management with a unionized facility, and 3-4 years ago as we were hitting the heights of inflation, we had a signed union agreement that we opted to open up early to deliver the union a pay increase. This was not charity, this was us needing to keep and hire good workers, who could afford to get to work and buy the tools they needed for work.

The approaching is so anti-libertarian, and the only thing about this government that is consistent is their inconsistency. They are all about personal freedom and small government until someone else expresses it, then this big government is throwing millions of dollars a consultants a pressing people into actions against their will.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Any word on where the freedom convoy is planning to park all of their trucks in protest of this government overreach?

You can say what you will about right wingers, but at least they understand a protest is an implied threat, not a silly sign making contest.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by #-3

Put all of the other stuff aside, as a taxpayer, as a parent, and feel a certain level of agency as a employer here, and have 90% of the work force being pushed to work under conditions they did not accept is going to lead to poor quality of work, poor retention and poor recruiting. This is just terrible for Teachers, Children

I work in management with a unionized facility, and 3-4 years ago as we were hitting the heights of inflation, we had a signed union agreement that we opted to open up early to deliver the union a pay increase. This was not charity, this was us needing to keep and hire good workers, who could afford to get to work and buy the tools they needed for work.

The approaching is so anti-libertarian, and the only thing about this government that is consistent is their inconsistency. They are all about personal freedom and small government until someone else expresses it, then this big government is throwing millions of dollars a consultants a pressing people into actions against their will.

Claims of Libertarianism are just them saying they want the freedom to force others to live in the way they desire. They only want it to apply to them. They do not care about the rights of anyone who disagrees with their version of reality, no matter how factually wrong it is.


These are the types of people you never, ever give power to. We are seeing precisely why.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

You can say what you will about right wingers, but at least they understand a protest is an implied threat, not a silly sign making contest.

No, most of those protesters are just too dense to know the facts or even why they're doing what they're doing. Hence the constant "#$%^ Trudeau". Very creative.

The fact not one of them has stepped up to question that their freedoms have actually been impacted by this, and not just some butthurt excuse to party and cause mayhem says it all.

[The Hendog]

Collectively the whole province should not send students to school on Halloween - Student Strike day on all hallows eve! Send a message!

[woob]

Originally Posted by 5abi

I’ve always been a pro referendum guy, but this move by the ucp scares me. Imagine these people with no Cheques or balances at all

Oh they have cheques! And they're being sent to all their buddies.

[puffnstuff]

The Sam Mraiche Edumacation Centre...opening soon in a strip mall near you!

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I think it's rational because no one can anticipate all future circumstances. For instance, lets say a deadly virus shows up for which we have no defences, and charter rights prevent protecting the needless deaths of millions, well, that might be a good time to use it. I'm sure we can imagine a few scenarios it does make sense.


I think we need to amend its use though. If a govenrment invokes it, they must also commit to an election within 6 months so the public can judge them on it and hold them to account. Alternatively, they can campaign on the exact bill they plan to introduce and if elected, they would not need to comply with the 6 month rule. I think that woudl give a lot of governments pause on using it.

We live in the internet era. Notwithstanding clause usage can very much be voted on in a referendum with at least 72 hours to submit a vote.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

You can say what you will about right wingers, but at least they understand a protest is an implied threat, not a silly sign making contest.

If only they would commit to fighting for causes that actually have the support of the majority.

[Point Blank]

Originally Posted by CFO

I support individuals doing work they are paid for. If the work outside of instruction hours isn't paid or it burns out people on regular time then forgo it.

There are many sports that are private (soccer, baseball, hockey, basketball) that are in non school clubs. Plus this only impacts junior high and high school. What extra curricular clubs are there really in elementary which accounts for 1/2 of the grades. I don't see elementary teachers impacted by this.

I think this post reveals a lot of ignorance because all you see is your child’s 20-something classroom. Much of the elementary teachers’ “extra” is invisible.

I taught in elementary, junior high, and high schools and without hesitation I would say elementary was the most work I’ve ever had to do. No I wasn’t coaching or leading some grand event, but my non instructional assignable time was professional learning, leading committees, and doing a ####load of paperwork.

You imply elementary teachers aren’t impacted by this when in fact, they are the most strongly impacted. Their “extra work” involves paperwork that helped them get to know each individual in their class better to provide differentiated support. This was already quite impossible with massive class sizes and complexity, but will now be even harder with crappy morale and this return to work order.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by CFO

Anyone in any professional - if you are not happy I suggest you change jobs or careers. It's the best thing on mental health.

Any leader, say a Premier or a CFO, whose employees are 90% not happy ought to change their careers

[Hot_Flatus]

https://lieutenantgovernor.ab.ca/contact

Please reach out to Salma Lakhani, our Lieutenant Governor of Alberta above. Email, call and voice your concerns. I am not sure when she will ratify this, but I just got through to a voicemail.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by CFO

I support individuals doing work they are paid for. If the work outside of instruction hours isn't paid or it burns out people on regular time then forgo it.

There are many sports that are private (soccer, baseball, hockey, basketball) that are in non school clubs. Plus this only impacts junior high and high school. What extra curricular clubs are there really in elementary which accounts for 1/2 of the grades. I don't see elementary teachers impacted by this.

My oh my when you don't know you don't know. The elementary teachers have it the absolute worst of all!!!

Marking is far more tedious, expectations in terms of communication with parents is raised, students require far more on hands instruction, and yes, those teachers are expected to step up and coach teams at higher grade levels, run clubs, supervision, field trips just like everyone else.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Point Blank

I think this post reveals a lot of ignorance because all you see is your child’s 20-something classroom. Much of the elementary teachers’ “extra” is invisible.

I taught in elementary, junior high, and high schools and without hesitation I would say elementary was the most work I’ve ever had to do. No I wasn’t coaching to leading some grand event, but my non instructional assignable time was professional learning, leading committees, and doing a ####load of paperwork.

You imply elementary teachers aren’t impacted by this when in fact, they are the most strongly impacted. Their “extra work” involves paperwork that helped them get to know each individual in their class better to provide differentiated support. This was already quite impossible with massive class sizes and complexity, but will now be even harder with crappy morale and this return to work order.

I have a friend who is a teacher and he teaches at a small high school so he wasn't feeling the stress that most others were. He said that if they get support they're asking for then some of his challenges would go away and teaching out his final 5 - 10 years would be a breeze compared to his current struggles.

He considered voting to accept the deal except he knows what his colleagues are going through in other schools. Especially his wife who teaches at an elementary. Before the strike she was wondering how much longer she can last as a teacher and was hopeful that this strike would have made teaching easier for her. She's going back to school to announce her retirement from teaching at the end of December.

[vegasbound]

I have strongly considered going back to school to get my B.Ed (actually signed up for a U of C After Degree webinar that is ironically tomorrow night). After yesterday, I am not so sure. Or I do some upgrading and apply to UBCO because I do not think I want to teach in this province.


Good luck to the UCP on trying to hire 3,000 more teachers. I think you just lost one here.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

We live in the internet era. Notwithstanding clause usage can very much be voted on in a referendum with at least 72 hours to submit a vote.

I don't think "the majority wants this" is a good litmus test of when its OK to ignore people's charter rights.