[Trade] Flames acquire Mike Smith (25% retained) for Chad Johnson, Brandon Hickey, & cond 3rd

[TheOnlyBilko]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Calling those who don't mind the trade too scared or shy or fearful is kind of a personal attack IMO. Maybe they just have a different opinion. Funny thing is that a lot of them have a lot more reasons set out in their posts than you.

In earlier threads you said it was MAF or the off-season was a failure. That was never going to happen. So you set yourself up for disappointment.

This is NOT what I said. I said some people don't wanna post how much they hate the trade because they get jumped on. That is all.

[FireGilbert]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

He should be waiting to see if they remove the flags and piping before being thrilled about pulling the sweater on

Also:

[TheOnlyBilko]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Kind of like when you see a Crosby or McDavid for forwards coming up. Parsons is that.

This is definitely signature worthy.

[darthma]

Originally Posted by JurassicTunga12

not sure if already posted, but here is another more recent highlight video of Smith:

Man... if that was supposed to make me pumped it did the opposite for me. The video was just him making routine saves hard through poor rebound control. And then sprawling for hero saves where if he had the rebound in the first place it would have been fine. This screams hiller 2.0. Ughhhhh

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by TheOnlyBilko

This is definitely signature worthy.

Do it! Will make me look great down the road.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by darthma

Man... if that was supposed to make me pumped it did the opposite for me. The video was just him making routine saves hard through poor rebound control. And then sprawling for hero saves where if he had the rebound in the first place it would have been fine. This screams hiller 2.0. Ughhhhh

Sure, your story you can tell it anyway you like but the video says otherwise.

[TheScorpion]

I hope that Mike takes #27 so that I can re-use my Derek Smith jersey. /s

(And yes, I know that Dougie wears 27. He can pull a Drouin and switch to 72.)

[Spartan2]

I think what is getting overshadowed is the fact that the goalie cost vs value the Flames are getting is high. Would I love Calgary to have a top 5 goalie in the league? Absolutely, but there have been many successful teams that have spent money elsewhere and won; see Chicago and Corey Crawford.

This better free Tre up to do something with our 4th D and a decent RW option with Jonny. If that happens, I will be elated that we didn't spend 7 schmill on a goalie... What I know is that there are many unproven goalies that when faced with the starters job can't cut it. Raanta is no sure thing, you always hope to get a Talbot, but if it was that easy, Edmonton wouldn't have spent the better part of a decade getting a passable goalie... actually nevermind, that is a terrible example.

[Freeway]

Jokes? I like jokes.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You've quoted the number of 35+ goalies that managed a league average save percentage. But you provided no context... how many 35+ goalies didn't manage a league average save percentage? Did 35+ goalies do worse overall than younger goalies in this regard?

Without context, your attempted point is meaningless.

Everyone else. They were either retired, or couldn't play enough games, or couldn't maintain the average.

The way I listed the goalies actually over represented how many goalies are still playing well at 35, because it included all ages over 35.

Lets break it down this way instead.

Goalies playing 45+ games and maintaining .913 at 34:

1.Thomas
2.Vokoun
3.Brodeur
4.Nabokov
5.Luongo
6.Rinne
7.Anderson
8.Budaj
9.Mike Smith
10.Turco

Goalies playing 45+ games and maintaining .913 at 35:
1.Brodeur
2.Kiprusoff
3.Luongo
4.Theodore
5.Miller
6.Vokoun

Goalies playing 45+ games and maintaining .913 at 36:
1.Luongo
2.Thomas
3.Miller
4.Hedberg

Goalies playing 45+ games and maintaining .913 at 37:
1.Brodeur
2.Thomas

Goalies playing 45+ games and maintaining .913 at 38:
No one

Goalies playing 45+ games and maintaining .913 at 39:
1.Roloson, who did it again at 41


So out of all the 34+ aged goalies in the NHL from 05/06 to present only Roberto Luongo played 45+ games with an average save percentage of equal to or over .913% in each of his three seasons from 34-36.

One guy.

I don't know the ratio compared to goalies aged 28-30 who managed that feat, but I'm guessing its a lot more.

Maybe Mike Smith will be the exception. Stranger things have happened. I just wouldn't bet my job on him giving the Flames a lot of games, and league average or better netminding in each of the next two seasons.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by darthma

Man... if that was supposed to make me pumped it did the opposite for me. The video was just him making routine saves hard through poor rebound control. And then sprawling for hero saves where if he had the rebound in the first place it would have been fine. This screams hiller 2.0. Ughhhhh

It's true. That is what Treliving meant when he said that Smith will keep the puck out, but also give you a lot of grey hairs. He can be unorthodox.

They're a dying breed.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Freeway

Jokes? I like jokes.

I suppose that he could take #16, too.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Do it! Will make me look great down the road.

Unless somehow The Twitter finds out!

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Everyone else. They were either retired, or couldn't play enough games, or couldn't maintain the average.

The way I listed the goalies actually over represented how many goalies are still playing well at 35, because it included all ages over 35.

Lets break it down this way instead.

Goalies playing 45+ games and maintaining .913 at 34:

1.Thomas
2.Vokoun
3.Brodeur
4.Nabokov
5.Luongo
6.Rinne
7.Anderson
8.Budaj
9.Mike Smith
10.Turco

Goalies playing 45+ games and maintaining .913 at 35:
1.Brodeur
2.Kiprusoff
3.Luongo
4.Theodore
5.Miller
6.Vokoun

Goalies playing 45+ games and maintaining .913 at 36:
1.Luongo
2.Thomas
3.Miller
4.Hedberg

Goalies playing 45+ games and maintaining .913 at 37:
1.Brodeur
2.Thomas

Goalies playing 45+ games and maintaining .913 at 38:
No one

Goalies playing 45+ games and maintaining .913 at 39:
1.Roloson, who did it again at 41


So out of all the 34+ aged goalies in the NHL from 05/06 to present only Roberto Luongo played 45+ games with an average save percentage of equal to or over .913% in each of his three seasons from 34-36.

One guy.

I don't know the ratio compared to goalies aged 28-30 who managed that feat, but I'm guessing its a lot more.

Maybe Mike Smith will be the exception. Stranger things have happened. I just wouldn't bet my job on him giving the Flames a lot of games, and league average or better netminding in each of the next two seasons.

Not sure why your quoting anything over 36 as the 2 seasons he will play for the flames he will be 35 and 36.

[djsFlames]

Just don't wear #1. Bad omen..

[dammage79]

I hope he sticks with #41

[Jimdon]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Not sure why your quoting anything over 36 as the 2 seasons he will play for the flames he will be 35 and 36.

Because that is the only way his cherry picked stats back up his arguments would be my guess

[TheScorpion]

Here are the Flames who have worn #41 in the last decade:

Chad Billins



Danny Taylor



Raitis Ivanans



Dustin Boyd



So, that's a 5'10" career minor-league defenseman, an AHL all-star calibre goalie who never really made it to the NHL, and a mediocre bottom-six forward who is now a mainstay on the Kazakhstani national team.

Not to mention the world's worst enforcer. This is a rundown of his career here:

- Played two games total as a Flame in two separate seasons
- One game per year.
- In the first game, he fought Steve MacIntyre
- He lost the fight so badly that he was injured for the entire season
- The Flames lost 4-0
- In the second game (against Boston), he played 11:05 and was a -1
- The Flames lost 9-0
- Total goal-differential with the Flames: -13.

Raitis Ivanans, everybody.

Hopefully Smith is better than all of those guys combined. He will do that as soon as he makes his first save as a Flame.

[Samonadreau]

Poor Ivanans.

[Samonadreau]

The winner of this trade was not Arizona or Calgary. Mike Smith won this trade.