Wideman Decision Expected Wednesday

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

But this is just an example about how something can be twisted around and made to seem worse than it is...

Really, it's not. Getting hit in a "vulnerable area, at or near the head" can be potentially just as dangerous as getting hit in the head.

[AcGold]

Getting hit in the back of the neck is exponentially worse than taking a shot to the head. I'd take 50 punches to the noggin before one to the back of the neck.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Really, it's not. Getting hit in a "vulnerable area, at or near the head" can be potentially just as dangerous as getting hit in the head.

Agree to disagree.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Agree to disagree.

This particular point isn't just a matter of opinion. You are clearly wrong about the seriousness of sustaining a hit to the neck or the back.

[Hockeyguy15]

He wasn't hit in the neck or the head, hence why you are making things seem worse then they are.

[dino7c]

Why is nobody showing the top view? doesn't look as bad? I saw it on a twitter feed the first night but not many people getting that look. I suggest Dennis brings in with him to the hearing

[Fire of the Phoenix]

This thread is hilarious.

"He totally did it on purpose! There's no way it was accident! I can't believe anyone would think he didn't do it on purpose LOLOLOLOL, check the video!"

"Here's my reasons why it might not be intentional."

back and forth, back and forth... 800 or so times.

[Jason14h]

roughly zero chance it was intentional.

I think this statement is as bad as people saying it was 100% intentional.

Really only Wideman knows what happened.

[Fan in Exile]

I really am quite incredulous that there are still so many people that think it was just an accident and he didn't see him, that no one can read Wideman's mind, et cetera. You would think that in any kind of civil or criminal context, anything short of a confession would never result in a finding that someone intended the consequences of his actions. In fact courts make these findings all the time. We all do this all the time. People do reckless and irrational impulsive things, even people with no prior history of such. The courts are full of these people and the league sees this all the time too.

To most objective observers, it looks like Wideman deliberately hit the linesman in the back of the neck with a cross-check. He didn't chase after him and likely just acted of annoyance and frustration that the linesman was between him and his intended destination after getting his bell rung on a borderline dirty hit with no call. I can see the league accepting that it wasn't his intention to injure the linesman but I would be shocked if the league found that he didn't mean to hit him or he didn't see him or couldn't avoid the collision, let alone ignoring that Wideman raised his stick up with both hands, extended his arms out and hit the linesman in the back of the neck.

There's a reason that people who have a personal familiarity with an accused or defendant do not get selected for juries. By and large it's not an intentional bias but it's just a fact of human nature.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by dino7c

thats the stupidest ####ing thing I have ever heard and illustrates what a witch hunt this has become (the ex-ref that is)

Why would a lady or an old man be....nevermind I see why this "ex-ref" didn't give his name

This witch hunt is getting out of control. In the best interests of Denis Wideman, its probably better for him to lay low somewhere in Mexico for a year or two. Maybe offer him paid accommodations or something... of coarse he would have to have his salary terminated, but he should be suspended for 120 games anyways.

[stone hands]

Looks like he has our best interests in mind and got himself benched since hartley won't sit him

Thanks Dennis!

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

He wasn't hit in the neck or the head, hence why you are making things seem worse then they are.

Would you care to enlighten us as to what part of his body slammed into the glass?

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Would you care to enlighten us as to what part of his body slammed into the glass?

Huh? I am talking about the lineman.

[VladtheImpaler]

Are you guys really planning to regurgitate the same arguments for the next 4 days? Short of a Wideman mea culpa, nothing is going to happen until the actual judgement... Having read the thread, I think you have covered it all 5 to 6 times already. Very thorough.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Otto-matic

Yeah I gotta back up Dino7C on this one,

Reading some of the posts on reddit/facebook. People are calling for Wideman's head and wanting the NHL to ban him for life, assault charges.

The x929 page was almost unbearable with the amount of people wanting the book thrown at him.

Here are some of the many comments,

First, thank you for doing what dino7c wouldn't and at least providing a direction to what you are reading. Also, I'm going to simply ignore Fox commenters for the same reason I would disregard a Vancouver Canucks forum - a mixture of ignorance and stupidity breeds same.

The X92.9 Facebook thread though looks pretty much like this thread. A lot of people saying intentional, a lot saying not. Many campaigning for a suspension were saying 10-20 range, which is what a lot of people who expect a suspension here were saying at the same time. So while you posted a few extreme positions, they are still just a few extreme positions. That example does not justify dino7c's hperbolic overreaction.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Huh? I am talking about the lineman.

Yes, you were. Sorry about that. Got confused by the series of overlapping discussions!

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Fan in Exile

I really am quite incredulous that there are still so many people that think it was just an accident and he didn't see him, that no one can read Wideman's mind, et cetera. You would think that in any kind of civil or criminal context, anything short of a confession would never result in a finding that someone intended the consequences of his actions. In fact courts make these findings all the time. We all do this all the time. People do reckless and irrational impulsive things, even people with no prior history of such. The courts are full of these people and the league sees this all the time too.

To most objective observers, it looks like Wideman deliberately hit the linesman in the back of the neck with a cross-check. He didn't chase after him and likely just acted of annoyance and frustration that the linesman was between him and his intended destination after getting his bell rung on a borderline dirty hit with no call. I can see the league accepting that it wasn't his intention to injure the linesman but I would be shocked if the league found that he didn't mean to hit him or he didn't see him or couldn't avoid the collision, let alone ignoring that Wideman raised his stick up with both hands, extended his arms out and hit the linesman in the back of the neck.

There's a reason that people who have a personal familiarity with an accused or defendant do not get selected for juries. By and large it's not an intentional bias but it's just a fact of human nature.

If you pause the video when contact happens it's clear it isn't a cross check in the neck. Wideman's right hand is behind Henderson's shoulder. The left hand (based on how far apart Wideman's hands are and the angle of his stick in the air) is probably about the middle of Henderson's back.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Why is nobody showing the top view? doesn't look as bad? I saw it on a twitter feed the first night but not many people getting that look. I suggest Dennis brings in with him to the hearing

Is there a link to the top view? I haven't seen that view.

[Fan in Exile]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

If you pause the video when contact happens it's clear it isn't a cross check in the neck. Wideman's right hand is behind Henderson's shoulder. The left hand (based on how far apart Wideman's hands are and the angle of his stick in the air) is probably about the middle of Henderson's back.

I don't think the word "clear" enters your version of the evidence but I won't argue if that's how you want to see it. I don't think this is a 50/50 argument off of this Board. I think there's consensus this was a pretty serious incident and I expect Wideman will receive a substantial suspension. And you can continue to believe in him and defend him but this isn't exactly "Making of a Murderer".

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Fan in Exile

I don't think the word "clear" enters your version of the evidence but I won't argue if that's how you want to see it. I don't think this is a 50/50 argument off of this Board. I think there's consensus this was a pretty serious incident and I expect Wideman will receive a substantial suspension. And you can continue to believe in him and defend him but this isn't exactly "Making of a Murderer".

Have you actually paused the video when contact is made? If you do so you can clearly see Wideman's right hand, which is behind the shoulder. If you follow the angle of the stick which you can clearly see it points to exactly where his left hand is. I know that's where his left hand is because he is holding the stick with it.

For an "objective observer" you're pretty quick to dismiss.