[News] The Edmonton Oilers win the draft lottery and will select 1st overall

[Cflames_12.5]

Originally Posted by Day Tripper

I hope they don't get their **** together. If they get competent management, McDavid and the Oilers will win a few cups and destroy the Flames for the next 20 years. So let's hope Lowe and MacTavish run the show for a long, long time.

Well I guess I have a lot more confidence in my team then you. McDavid alone isn't going to win them any cups. The sky is the limit for the Flames we already have way more pieces in place then the oilers. With the added bonus of playoff experience and a winning culture.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

I haven't gone through this entire thread, but I'm sure that this opinion must have been stated already....

Edmonton now has great depth in centre, but I will only be scared of them if they trade Hall. Hall is a defensive liability, and doesn't engender a team atmosphere. And somehow he is looked to as a leader at the same time. In terms of team play, I think that divesting themselves of Hall's leadership would go a long way towards making the Oilers a dangerous team.

Hall sympathizers always bring up his point totals. In a team game, who cares? Alexander Semin has as much raw talent as Hall, but is bad defensively and doesn't play a team game. These kinds of players are addition through subtraction, no matter how many points they are capable of putting up.

I wouldn't worry about the Oilers unless Hall is moved, and then I'll become interested in their potential.

At the very least, Hall won't be depended on to be their best player. Eberle has similar defensive "capabilities" and isn't as good offensively. I don't think they can keep both but they can probably keep one.

[Cflames_12.5]

Originally Posted by MattyC

There are 28 other teams that give the Flames plenty of competition to help them grow.

Getting in a tune up game against a terribad team every once in a while is a confidence booster and is very, very unlikely to even affect the Flames at all. Plenty of great teams to challenge us.

I get that everyone hates the oilers I hate them too. But the reality is they have the McDavid pick in draft and some good assets to possibly change things around. So we shouldn't be surprised if they do figure it out.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Cflames_12.5

I get that everyone hates the oilers I hate them too. But the reality is they have the McDavid pick in draft and some good assets to possibly change things around. So we shouldn't be surprised if they do figure it out.

Sure, never said it would be a surprise.


That doesn't mean I WANT it to happen...

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by MattyC

This is getting f***ing ridiculous.

Never, in the history of any team sport has ONE single player been able to do this. Never. Not even Gretzky and he is literally the most dominate individual player in the history of any sport.

You mean *team* sport, right? Because otherwise Roger Federer would like a word.

[Ozy_Flame]

Hey McDavid, you should see this:

Edmonton ranked fifth-lowest in Canada when it comes to life in the city

Even funnier - guess who finished in the two last place spots?

[Robbob]

What have the oilers done in the last decade that shows they are capable of getting anything right? They are beyond getting the benefit of the doubt. They are firmly in the put up or shut up category.

I am not saying they can't, but a lot of right things have to happen in succession to dig themselves out of their current state. I hope they throw it all on his shoulders because that will set him up to fail.

[Cflames_12.5]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Sure, never said it would be a surprise.


That doesn't mean I WANT it to happen...

True.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Hey McDavid, you should see this:

Edmonton ranked fifth-lowest in Canada when it comes to life in the city

Even funnier - guess who finished in the two last place spots?

lol. that's just a reflection of how whiney Vancouverites are. What's there not to like in Vancouver? It's a beautiful City, with great restaurants, lots to do, beautiful women. Only thing that sucks is the housing prices. Well that and the people, the people are whiney. Hahaha, I guess that's why they ranked at the bottom, cause it's the people.

But seriously, I live in Vancouver and we have it good. Hell the bums have it good. The poor have it good. Free housing? New AND Free housing? That ranking is a reflection of the people, not the CIty.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by MattyC

This is getting f***ing ridiculous.

Never, in the history of any team sport has ONE single player been able to do this. Never. Not even Gretzky and he is literally the most dominate individual player in the history of any sport.

He will help them improve, as will pretty much any type of front office change (that doesn't involve bringing in ex Oilers). But the above bolded statement is outright ludicrous.

I just watched the 1996 game 7 between Detroit and St. Louis on ESPN classics. That Blues team had Gretzky, Hull, MacInnis, and Pronger and they won squat. And the greatest hockey player of all time never won a single championship and only had a single finals appearance after he lost his hall of fame support that he had in Edmonton

In other words, McDavid could LITERALLY be the second coming of Gretzky and it still wouldn't help this version of the Oilers be anything other than not good

[Weitz]

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[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

I just watched the 1996 game 7 between Detroit and St. Louis on ESPN classics. That Blues team had Gretzky, Hull, MacInnis, and Pronger and they won squat. And the greatest hockey player of all time never won a single championship and only had a single finals appearance after he lost his hall of fame support that he had in Edmonton

In other words, McDavid could LITERALLY be the second coming of Gretzky and it still wouldn't help this version of the Oilers be anything other than not good

I sure hope so.

I am still pissed they got McDavid though. Although I didn't puke like I said I would.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

You mean *team* sport, right? Because otherwise Roger Federer would like a word.

Yes. You may notice the word "Team" right before "Sport" in the post you quoted...

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

You mean *team* sport, right? Because otherwise Roger Federer would like a word.

Dude chill, it's like your the forum police or something. You are always ragging on people's posts.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I'm not ragging on anything. Not sure where you got that.

Originally Posted by MattyC

Yes. You may notice the word "Team" right before "Sport" in the post you quoted...

I could have sworn it didn't say that before!

[The Yen Man]

I think Oiler fans underestimate the importance of having the right mix of players in order to win championships. McDavid will probably be a phenomenal player, but without a proper supporting cast, he's not going to win anything. You can have all the offense in the world, but without a good core of dmen, a sound defensive structure, and a steady goalie, they're going to dwell near the bottom for years to come.

They have all the pieces to acquire the things they lack, that I agree. Whether or not they do it, and whether they group they put together gels or not, that's a whole different story.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

I think Oiler fans underestimate the importance of having the right mix of players in order to win championships. McDavid will probably be a phenomenal player, but without a proper supporting cast, he's not going to win anything. You can have all the offense in the world, but without a good core of dmen, a sound defensive structure, and a steady goalie, they're going to dwell near the bottom for years to come.

They have all the pieces to acquire the things they lack, that I agree. Whether or not they do it, and whether they group they put together gels or not, that's a whole different story.

I think most fans are hoping this will be the straw that broke the camels back and finally a competent management team brought in.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I'm not ragging on anything. Not sure where you got that.

I could have sworn it didn't say that before!

Even if I didn't, the guy has 1000 more pts than the next closest guy who played 300 more games than him.

Can't say I watch a lot of tennis, but even in individual sports he's likely in the Top 3.

The fact that they think McDavid will solve anything outside of maybe getting them a few more wins based purely on the addition of his scoring makes me happy. Because it shows, once again, that they literally have no idea what they are talking about or doing.

*** And yes, I don't just mean Edmonton mgnmt and fans. I honestly instantly lose respect for anyone who thinks one player is going to turn around this team. It shows a complete lack of understanding of what hockey is: the ultimate team sport. Other team sports can have one dominant player take over and completely overhaul a team just based on their ability and position (QB, Pitcher, point guard, striker...). Hockey just isn't built that way.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Hey McDavid, you should see this:

Edmonton ranked fifth-lowest in Canada when it comes to life in the city

Even funnier - guess who finished in the two last place spots?

Its all the Hipsters they are depressing to be around, that and the other ethnic groups would stick with thier own kind so I sort of felt segrated even though I always made the effort to mesh with other cultures.

[kevman]

Well now that all the feelings of disbelief, anger and frustration in that order have passed I'm firmly in the "who cares" camp.

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/to...since-2004-05/

By my count 5 of those players have nothing to show for it and the 5 that do had a hell of a supporting cast to go with them.

In the last 25 years the Art Ross Trophy winner has won the cup 3 times:
Malkin in 2009 with the Penguins
St. Louis in 2004 with the Lightning*
Lemieux in 1992 with the Penguins

The question isn't if McDavid is the next Malkin, St. Louis or Lemieux but who are the Oiler's version of Crosby/Stall, Stillman/Richards/Lecavalier and Stevens/Jagr?

Even if McDavid is the leagues most prolific scorer in the comming years one player does not make a team and they especially don't extinguish a dumpster fire.