[News] Cammalleri has NOT been traded. Upd: Cammalleri likely heading to free agency

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Not sure why some want Cammi re-signed, when it probably means someone like Hudler or Sven being traded in the next year. If posters think that in a years time they will run a top 6 with Cammi, Johnny hockey, Sven, Hudler, ect they are nuts.

That's the idea IMO.

Sign Cammy, then look to move another smallish left winger to hopefully fill an organizational need.

Better than letting Cammy walk, and then not being able to use the left wing surplus to fill an organizational need.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

That's the idea IMO.

Sign Cammy, then look to move another smallish left winger to hopefully fill an organizational need.

Better than letting Cammy walk, and then not being able to use the left wing surplus to fill an organizational need.

Sure, but I get the feeling that some posters don't look at the bigger picture. Lots of posts that Hudler is great for the rebuild, but I see no chance both him and Cammi on the same team in a years time.

Yes we could get some value for Hudler ( especially if they ate half a million of salary) but Cammi will be the whipping boy on this site in 2-3 years with him making big money and having term left.

And no I don't think there is any chance that Cammi signs a 1-2 year contract.

[Racki]

If only Cammalleri had gone on that tear two weeks prior to the deadline. This wouldn't even be a topic. He'd have garnered a return similar to Vanek or Gaborik and we'd be moved on.

[DeluxeMoustache]

^ ha. Nope, he went on the tear after his trade value was established to be low, almost like an 'oh, crap' moment and then a hail Mary post deadline to elevate his value before his contract ended.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Again let's not overvalue Cammalleri here. He's only scored 30 twice and hasn't come close to that feat since he was here in 08/09.

He hasn't played with Johnny Hockey either.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by nik-

I'd say 26 is close, and he did that for us, this season, in 63 games.

And what did 26 goals do for this lottery pick team last year?

He was non-existent until the last few months of the year (much like the last few seasons) and certainly won't make the Flames a playoff team next season. I don't see how the Flames can do anything but pass on him unless he somehow is stupidly after a one year deal.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

And what did 26 goals do for this lottery pick team last year?

He was non-existent until the last few months of the year (much like the last few seasons) and certainly won't make the Flames a playoff team next season. I don't see how the Flames can do anything but pass on him unless he somehow is stupidly after a one year deal.

You didn't say anything about how much it helped us, you said he hasn't been near 30 goals. How about you take some time to decide which angle you wanna take with this and come back when you're ready.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

And what did 26 goals do for this lottery pick team last year?

He was non-existent until the last few months of the year (much like the last few seasons) and certainly won't make the Flames a playoff team next season. I don't see how the Flames can do anything but pass on him unless he somehow is stupidly after a one year deal.

We need to spend big money next year. Cammalleri fit well into the tight team in Calgary, so why not him.

We HAVE to spend some dough here. Any better options?

[FAN]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

We need to spend big money next year. Cammalleri fit well into the tight team in Calgary, so why not him.

We HAVE to spend some dough here. Any better options?

Honestly? Somebody who is younger and or has a better ability to stay healthy? But ya the UFA market looks pretty thin right now and re-signing Cammy simply isn't a bad idea even if he's not going to be part of the solution around here.

Let's not forget that there are always trades. Burke is much better at trades than free agent signings. Reaching the cap floor shouldn't be too hard. The roster needs to be filled out and the team can get close to the cap floor by simply signing or acquiring quality support players.

[ForeverFlameFan]

I'd rather resign Cammy, this year's FA market is pretty slim and not much to pick from. It will be better next year.

[Vinny01]

I wonder if Cammy is waiting to see what the flames do at the draft?

If Calgary goes out and trades for a couple top 6 forwards and a top 4 D maybe he thinks the team is closer to competing and will opt to stay?

Cammy wants to he paid, wants to win, and I think he would love to be part of the leadership group which he certainly is in Calgary

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Sure, but I get the feeling that some posters don't look at the bigger picture. Lots of posts that Hudler is great for the rebuild, but I see no chance both him and Cammi on the same team in a years time.

Yes we could get some value for Hudler ( especially if they ate half a million of salary) but Cammi will be the whipping boy on this site in 2-3 years with him making big money and having term left.

And no I don't think there is any chance that Cammi signs a 1-2 year contract.

I think it's you who need to look at the big picture. Not signing Cammy means we lose a valuable asset for nothing.

I'd rather sign Cammy and get a nice return for Hudler than keeping Hudler and not signing Cammy.

The only issue is Cammy refusing to sign, I think it's obvious he's been offered a solid deal and the offer is still on the table.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I'd rather resign Cammy, this year's FA market is pretty slim and not much to pick from. It will be better next year.

I rather the flames trade for salary dump players with one year to two term left tops. While I don't think Cam Ward will ever be the goalie he was, his cap hit for the next 2 years could really help the flames. I like Cammi but I don't think I would like the term that his contract would get.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

I think it's you who need to look at the big picture. Not signing Cammy means we lose a valuable asset for nothing.

I'd rather sign Cammy and get a nice return for Hudler than keeping Hudler and not signing Cammy.

The only issue is Cammy refusing to sign, I think it's obvious he's been offered a solid deal and the offer is still on the table.

Why would you sign an inferior player so you can deal away a better player? Cammalleri went on a run when it didn't matter. Where was he when the games mattered? How was he at the start of the season again? How was he when the youngsters were coming in and trying to find their way?

The idea is to keep players around who will help the younger players get better. Hudler is continually identified by the young guys as being a leader and helping them feel welcome to the bigs. Those guys you keep as they will help the rebuild progress quicker. Positive role models like Hudler are hard to find.

Keep Hudler, let Cammalleri take his disappearing act elsewhere, and watch the rebuild progress!

[thethumwood]

Originally Posted by New Era

This is such stupid thinking, and I mean the height of stupidity. Why would you sign an inferior player so you can deal away a better player? Cammalleri went on a run when it didn't matter. Where was he when the games mattered? How was he at the start of the season again? How was he when the youngsters were coming in and trying to find their way?

The idea is to keep players around who will help the younger players get better. Hudler is continually identified by the young guys as being a leader and helping them feel welcome to the bigs. Those guys you keep as they will help the rebuild progress quicker. Positive role models like Hudler are hard to find.

Keep Hudler, let Cammalleri take his disappearing act elsewhere, and watch the rebuild progress!

I agree... It just scares me to put too much pressure on the young guys too fast and for our rebuild to become like the Oilers... If keeping Cammy is the safe move, and it provides the cap to hit the floor, then I don't see a huge issue with it. As long as his contract isn't more than 2 years.

But as you said, I don't think Cammy had a huge impact on the flames this year when it mattered or on the young guys, so if he walks and we pick up another vet who can lead the young guys, I am all for it.

[logan_izer10]

It's not even so much that we should sign him because we want him long term. We should be trying to sign him because he bring value to the team. He becomes an asset that can be traded. Also, from what we've heard this year, he was instrumental in helping the new guys learn the ropes. Sign him!

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by New Era

This is such stupid thinking, and I mean the height of stupidity. Why would you sign an inferior player so you can deal away a better player? Cammalleri went on a run when it didn't matter. Where was he when the games mattered? How was he at the start of the season again? How was he when the youngsters were coming in and trying to find their way?

The idea is to keep players around who will help the younger players get better. Hudler is continually identified by the young guys as being a leader and helping them feel welcome to the bigs. Those guys you keep as they will help the rebuild progress quicker. Positive role models like Hudler are hard to find.

Keep Hudler, let Cammalleri take his disappearing act elsewhere, and watch the rebuild progress!

Right, cause only you know the facts and everyone else is wrong. What's stupid is not taking a 2nd round pick for an asset and then letting him walk for nothing 4 months later.

If Hudler is better then Cammy than he should bring in a lovely return. This isn't a matter of getting rid of all our veterans. Also Cammy had a good start to the year, it was his injury (and likely trade talk) that slowed his play until the final 15-20 games.

Not to mention ALL CP posters had the idea that Hudler was a bad personality in the room and just a goofball who likes to party. A couple light hearted stories about the guy and he's the ideal fit for leading our prospects.

Hudler has a more inconsistent game then Cammalleri and was invisible for a long stretch the last couple seasons. Who's the assistant captain? Hudler or Cammalleri. Oh wait, but New Era knows better than Hartley. That doesn't support your claim so it's irrelevant.

I think you need to take a minute to think before insulting a perfectly reasonable opinion.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by New Era

This is such stupid thinking, and I mean the height of stupidity. Why would you sign an inferior player so you can deal away a better player? Cammalleri went on a run when it didn't matter. Where was he when the games mattered? How was he at the start of the season again? How was he when the youngsters were coming in and trying to find their way?

The idea is to keep players around who will help the younger players get better. Hudler is continually identified by the young guys as being a leader and helping them feel welcome to the bigs. Those guys you keep as they will help the rebuild progress quicker. Positive role models like Hudler are hard to find.

Keep Hudler, let Cammalleri take his disappearing act elsewhere, and watch the rebuild progress!

What do you mean by "when games mattered"?

Every game mattered. We weren't going to be a playoff team no matter who stepped their game up last year - the roster, playing as well as it could, simply didn't have the ability to make the dance. Last season was about establishing a good work ethic - and both Hudler and Cammalleri were important parts of that. Cammalleri wore an "A". Neither player has the ability to score at a PPG rate, but both players worked hard all season.

I'm not sure how you can crucify Cammalleri and defend Hudler. They're very similar players. They're both inconsistent offensive threats. That's why they score at the rate they do.

Hudler: .72 PPG
Cammalleri: .71 PPG

The idea behind some people's thinking is pretty easy to follow.

Re-signing Cammalleri retains an asset we otherwise wouldn't have. However, because he is similar to Hudler, he then makes Hudler expendable.

So instead of losing an asset for nothing, we get the return on Hudler.

I'd much sooner sign Cammy and trade Hudler than lose Cammy for nothing.

[nik-]

Cammy's start to the season was good too. I was really down on him in the middle part of the season, but considering his end (while annoyingly timed for trade purposes) it's pretty clear he came back from his injury too soon.

[Roof-Daddy]

Would be great if the Flames could re-up Cammy, then package Hudler up for a decent young (ish) top 4 defenseman....preferably right shooting too.

Myers, Larsson or Stone for example.