The Ongoing Coyotes Sale Thread

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by PegCityFlamesFan

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/DanBickley/124970

Detroit fans: If you can't stay away, please wear white


Regrets? We have a few. By stumbling down the stretch and leaving numerous points on the table, [ coughed up home-ice advantage and slid into a sticky first-round playoff series against Detroit.
As always, the opponent and the task feels enormous.
So, a plea to all fans living in the Valley:

If you must go to the games in Arizona, please wear white. We don't want outsiders thinking we can't sell out After all we've been through - from bankruptcy hearings to relocation threats - the last thing we need is more national embarrassment.

A sea of red at Jobing.com Arena would do just that.

If you're a Detroit fan who otherwise cheers for the Coyotes, understand what this does to your second-favorite team, and how deflating it must be to take the ice for a playoff game and hear:
"Let's go Red Wings!"

By the way, that chant broke out at a Valley restaurant Monday morning.
Yep, it's starting already. And in the end, the have no one to blame but themselves

Hahahahahah
That's hilarious!

[landshark]

I've been to wings/yotes games in AZ and I can attest that the number of locals wearing DET gear was astonishing. They couldn't quite drown out the 'let's go red wings' chants.

I have a couple of friends there and they are gonna be crying about the move, no doubt... and they have ALWAYS hated these transplants that are yotes fans until 'their' team comes to town...

Originally Posted by PegCityFlamesFan

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/DanBickley/124970

Detroit fans: If you can't stay away, please wear white


Regrets? We have a few. By stumbling down the stretch and leaving numerous points on the table, [ coughed up home-ice advantage and slid into a sticky first-round playoff series against Detroit.
As always, the opponent and the task feels enormous.
So, a plea to all fans living in the Valley:

If you must go to the games in Arizona, please wear white. We don't want outsiders thinking we can't sell out After all we've been through - from bankruptcy hearings to relocation threats - the last thing we need is more national embarrassment.

A sea of red at Jobing.com Arena would do just that.

If you're a Detroit fan who otherwise cheers for the Coyotes, understand what this does to your second-favorite team, and how deflating it must be to take the ice for a playoff game and hear:
"Let's go Red Wings!"

By the way, that chant broke out at a Valley restaurant Monday morning.
Yep, it's starting already. And in the end, the have no one to blame but themselves

[jar_e]

Originally Posted by landshark

I've been to wings/yotes games in AZ and I can attest that the number of locals wearing DET gear was astonishing. They couldn't quite drown out the 'let's go red wings' chants.

I have a couple of friends there and they are gonna be crying about the move, no doubt... and they have ALWAYS hated these transplants that are yotes fans until 'their' team comes to town...

Without those transplants, the coyotes would have been done long, long ago.

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

Hahahahahah
That's hilarious!

That's pathetic. If you have to plead with opposing fans to wear the away colour to boost your appearance of support, you don't deserve to keep a team, no matter where it goes.

I have no love for Detroit, but it's incredibly tempting to try and get flights and tickets JUST to wear a red detroit jersey there.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by kunkstyle

That's pathetic. If you have to plead with opposing fans to wear the away colour to boost your appearance of support, you don't deserve to keep a team, no matter where it goes.

I have no love for Detroit, but it's incredibly tempting to try and get flights and tickets JUST to wear a red detroit jersey there.

I'm hoping Jets fans put their money were their mouth is and fill the arena with Jets shirts.

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I'm hoping Jets fans put their money were their mouth is and fill the arena with Jets shirts.

I could see that happening, too.

[fokkerfan]

No movement on the TSN Jets Meter

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/jetsmeter/

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by PegCityFlamesFan

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/DanBickley/124970

Detroit fans: If you can't stay away, please wear white


Regrets? We have a few. By stumbling down the stretch and leaving numerous points on the table, [ coughed up home-ice advantage and slid into a sticky first-round playoff series against Detroit.
As always, the opponent and the task feels enormous.
So, a plea to all fans living in the Valley:

If you must go to the games in Arizona, please wear white. We don't want outsiders thinking we can't sell out After all we've been through - from bankruptcy hearings to relocation threats - the last thing we need is more national embarrassment.

A sea of red at Jobing.com Arena would do just that.

If you're a Detroit fan who otherwise cheers for the Coyotes, understand what this does to your second-favorite team, and how deflating it must be to take the ice for a playoff game and hear:
"Let's go Red Wings!"

By the way, that chant broke out at a Valley restaurant Monday morning.
Yep, it's starting already. And in the end, the have no one to blame but themselves

Lucky they don't have a guns for toys night.

[PegCityFlamesFan]

I'm hoping Jets fans put their money were their mouth is and fill the arena with Jets shirts.

Of course, that is why we don't have a team, people in Winnipeg haven't been filling up Jobing arena.

[jayswin]

Sportsnet just announced that the deal to keep the Yotes in Phoenix is all but dead, and a move to Winnipeg could be announced as soon as the Coyotes are eliminated from the playoffs.

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Kind of suspicious that all this big news is coming to light on Toronto radio the first day that TSN's new sports radio station is up and running.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by GreenTeaFrapp

Kind of suspicious that all this big news is coming to light on Toronto radio the first day that TSN's new sports radio station is up and running.

Yeah, it was just kind of weird how serious they were about it. Broke away from the Jays game and Jamie Campbell made it sound like breaking news.

[Matty81]

Wow, they either broke the biggest hockey story of the year well ahead of their competitor or are going to look incredibly stupid.

The NHL must be super POed - trying to sell home tickets in Phoenix just got even tougher if that was possible.

They just broke away from the Jays game and announced it as breaking news.

[kharberg]

Within a few years when all the Jets hype slows down, Winnipeg will have to dip into the revenue sharing pool just like Nashville, Carolina etc., because of the lack of Luxury boxes and seats in the MTS Centre. The difference is, they will be taking way less out of that pot then if they stayed in Phoenix.

[PegCityFlamesFan]

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=362122

Bob Mackenzie weighs in:

Where will the Phoenix Coyotes be playing next season?
Well, since you asked, I will say it's more likely to be Winnipeg than Phoenix. That's my opinion.
I say probably, and qualify it as my "opinion," because all the factual information I can find says to me very clearly that no final or irrevocable decision on the future home of the Coyotes has yet been made by any of the three vested parties - the NHL, the City of Glendale and would-be (under the right circumstances) owner Matthew Hulsizer.
And if we have learned anything in this long and winding Coyotes' saga in Phoenix it is that it ain't over until one of three parties pulls out and says it's dead.
Could that happen? Sure, it could.
When might it happen? I don't know, it could be days or maybe a week or two or three. Months is certainly not a viable answer because if the Coyotes are going to relocate to Winnipeg or anywhere else, there is much that needs to be done to facilitate it both within the league and the new market as well.
So whether it's days or weeks, we should get an answer to our question soon enough.
Now, here's another question: Is there a chance the Coyotes stay put in Phoenix for next season and beyond?
My opinion on that is a qualified yes, it's not entirely out of the question, it could still happen. I think it's probably a longshot at this point and perhaps getting to be a longer shot with each passing day that the NHL, City of Glendale and Hulsizer don't announce they have a dea

[troutman]

Originally Posted by kharberg

Within a few years when all the Jets hype slows down, Winnipeg will have to dip into the revenue sharing pool just like Nashville, Carolina etc., because of the lack of Luxury boxes and seats in the MTS Centre. The difference is, they will be taking way less out of that pot then if they stayed in Phoenix.

The NHL is about to get a $200 Million US TV deal. WIN will be fine.

[PegCityFlamesFan]

How this may play out?

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/bre...119782404.html

Coyotes deal on last leg, True North ready

By: Gary Lawless
The NHL is preparing to hold a gun to the City of Glendale’s head and is again planning to use Winnipeg as the bullet.
Reports that Matthew Hulsizer’s $170-million bid to purchase the Phoenix Coyotes is dead may be premature but it appears there is only one chapter left to be played out in this saga.
Listen to the audio clip from today's Hustler & Lawless radio show

Expect the next move to be the NHL’s. It will involve positioning the city of Winnipeg against Phoenix in a manner reminiscent of last spring’s leverage play by commissioner Gary Bettman.
Sports radio talk in Toronto on Wednesday had the deal in the desert near or at the end of the line and the Free Press has a Glendale source stating Hulsizer has pulled any concessions he’s made off the table and reverted to his original agreement with the NHL and City of Glendale.
The next move will be Bettman’s and it will likely come in the next five to 10 days. He'll need Winnipeg's help again and it's quite possible that talks between the league and True North have begun anew.
The NHL has painted itself into a bit of a corner by waiting this long to resolve the sale and now runs the risk of having to announce relocation of the franchise during a playoff run. It would be bad enough to make such an announcement in the first round but even worse to make it in the Stanley Cup final.
It’s unlikely Bettman will wait that long to pull the trigger. Expect the commissioner to get in front of this one in the latter stages of the opening round. Bettman will give Hulsizer and the City of Glendale one final crack at closing a deal.
Mark Chipman and his partner David Thomson are still interested in an NHL franchise they would bring to Winnipeg and operate out of the MTS Centre.
Playing stalking horse for the NHL a second time will, however, come with some strings says a U.S.-based attorney with experience in sports franchise transfer-of-ownership deals.
The lawyer, who has been involved in NBA and NHL relocations deals, demanded anonymity but said the next few steps will be common practice in terms of the league’s arrangement with True North.
According to the source, True North will require financial and contractual guarantees to sign a purchase offer that Bettman can then take to Arizona and use to prod Glendale and Hulsizer.
Before True North signs a deal, they’ll want exclusivity, a firm timeline, board of governor approval and likely a seven-figure compensation — called a breakup fee — should the deal sour at the last moment.
True North will insist Bettman only shop their deal to Hulsizer and that no other party be allowed in at the last minute. The NHL will have the opportunity to use this leverage with Hulsizer alone. If he can’t or won’t buy the team — then it’s Winnipeg’s.
The NHL made its choice to relocate to Winnipeg a long time ago, if needed. Any talk of other markets has been silliness. The league is once again working with Winnipeg and no one else. That won’t change.
The deal will have a small window. Once True North signs off, the NHL will have a firm deadline which it will need to work within. Bettman will tell Glendale and Hulsizer they have a certain number of days — certainly less than seven — to conclude their deal. If it’s not consummated within the agreed term — the agreement in principle between the NHL and True North will come into effect.
Board of Governor approval, required for any relocation, will need to be signed off on before this agreement is signed. Should Bettman’s leverage play in Glendale work a second time and prompt the city and Hulsizer to act, True North will be compensated for its role and efforts. Our source says a sum in the neighbourhood of $5 million would be the norm for a deal of this size

[Nuje]

Originally Posted by kharberg

Within a few years when all the Jets hype slows down, Winnipeg will have to dip into the revenue sharing pool just like Nashville, Carolina etc., because of the lack of Luxury boxes and seats in the MTS Centre. The difference is, they will be taking way less out of that pot then if they stayed in Phoenix.

Then name 30 NHL markets that will never have to do such a thing.

I think it'll be better than that. Certainly not top like most of the Canadian markets are sitting. Look, if you check out the top 16 US metropolitan areas sorted by population
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_o...tistical_Areas

Only 16 down the list is Minnesota-St. Paul. A metro population of about 3.25 million. They are doing very well. 7th, you have Florida, 9th Atlanta, 12th Phoenix. Ignoring the whole "it's too hot there for people to care about hockey" position, what is it that's causing these teams to fail? Failure on the ice is certainly a part of it, but another big factor is competition! 32 NFL teams, 30 MLB and 30 NBA teams, all vying for these same big markets. Population + your sport there, does NOT equal profit.

While in a city like New York or LA, there's enough people to help mask this, once you get to a place with a population of about 4 million, one would assume that the sports pot is being split 4 ways already, between the 4 leagues. Of course the arenas/stadiums don't hold in the entire city, so it's not necessarily a straight mathematical equation, but that's sort of the point. The level of support for each sport in a city with all 4 varies greatly. In some markets, this will benefit hockey, and in others, it will hurt it very much. In Phoenix, people just don't care. In Atlanta, they don't care. In Winnipeg they do.

I agree that the organisation will have their work cut out for them, as Winnipeg is a smaller city with a lower income than a place like Calgary, but so long as the product on the ice isn't a complete joke, they will be very consistently sold out. Also a fact not often mentioned about the old arena, getting there without a car was a bit of an issue. No LRT, and I don't believe a whole bunch of bus routes went that way. Now, with the arena right on Portage Ave. near main, almost every single route stops in a 2 block radius at most.

Even if when times are sometimes tough, they may need to dip in, they will NOT need as much revenue sharing money as Phoenix or Atlanta would. That is an improvement. It will be a more consistent market, that adds stability. And unless you can think of 30 places to put NHL hockey where nobody will ever need to dip into that pot, then the choices are

A. Do the best you can, and let the revenue sharing help teams through tough times, so long as they're not perpetually taking a ton, or
B. Contract.

...I hope option B occurs with Atlanta and we somehow snag the first pick in that one.

[Mazrim]

Is Hulsizer in Detroit to watch the Coyotes tonight?

[dissentowner]

The Coyotes unfortunately are going nowhere after they win the Cup.