2025 Toronto Blue Jays Season Thread

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Even Dan questioning it. You don’t hear that stuff from him

No, not at all. HE avoids that kind of stuff if he can.

[MRCboicgy]

Okay, just got home. I'll be honest, I have not looked at anything above me, but I've been fricken livid all damn night now.

How in the actual #### do you put in Little at that point? Bottom 8th, against a hitter that had one of the all-time greatest offensive seasons in MLB history? Plus, game 1 on Fox their guys mentioned that Seattle feasts on lefties across the board. I was losing my goddamned mind then.

I haven't looked into any post game commentary or anything, because what could anyone say to that? It's right there and obvious.

Holy S###, where's the tylenol?

[browna]

3 HR and 10 strikeouts for Ohtani tonight. Incredible.
Dodgers 24-6 in last 30 games.

All that said, if the Jays can win 2 games, they will have home field in WS.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by MRCboicgy

Okay, just got home. I'll be honest, I have not looked at anything above me, but I've been fricken livid all damn night now.

I'm still steamed. So much for Schneider learning from his past massive playoff mistakes.

Mistakes are going to be made. This isn't his first one this playoffs. But that one was massive. And even if Little did blow it and get rattled you're stuck with him for two more batters.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I give credit to Little for facing the media

[browna]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I give credit to Little for facing the media

I do.
Not a lot of others spoke though. No way Jays PR lets any steamed players leak out disappointment with their manager.

It’s not the loss or even the way they lost. It was almost inevitable once it started unravelling. It’s the fundamental reason they lost, and that being the conscious decision from Walker and Schneider to treat this game like some mid May game and get cute by not throwing your best two relievers, the guys you pay to get 3 or less out each in such a pivotal situation.

If that sort of pitching decision, and decision overall, for which they consciously contemplated for a full inning and still did it, what other terrible decisions are coming in the next two games or in the WS?

It will be very hard for a player who busts their ass all season/series/game to look a manager in the eye after he makes a fundamentally flawed decision which singlehanded gives that game away, and with it, the chance to be 1 win at home away from a WS.

So even if they win the series, no way fans media or most importantly players, will trust him going forward, yet again, to not make such a terrible decision.

[edslunch]

Schneider is totally hung up on the other team not seeing a player too often. All the early pulls in case third time is the charm for the opposition and now this ‘show them something different’ instead of show them your best and take your chances.

[Inferno]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1979354183716475142

[Roof-Daddy]

I'm usually.the first guy rolling my eyes at all the expert armchair managers questioning the managers decisions every time something goes wrong, but with the way Little has been pitching for a long time now the dunce cap fits perfectly on Schneiders head after that bone headed decision.

Jays have been nails with their backs against the wall all season. Let's hope it continues.

[bluejays]

Whenever year end meetings happen, and no matter what the outcome of this year ultimately is, I hope Atkins and Shapiro scold Schneider for that move. I'm still incensed this morning. Casual viewers knew Little was a bad choice before it all started and you have a pro manager making that move. It's simply a terrible decision that cannot be understated. His explanation was him going with a gut feel for no logical reason. Company guys are pooping on him, it was that bad. Crazy to think two years in a row they'll potentially lose because of Schneider.

[jayswin]

The gut feel thing is a hilarious excuse to me, as his criticism for early pulls on starters is excused with "the analytics are telling when it makes sense, so I pull them like a robot".

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Whenever year end meetings happen, and no matter what the outcome of this year ultimately is, I hope Atkins and Shapiro scold Schneider for that move. I'm still incensed this morning. Casual viewers knew Little was a bad choice before it all started and you have a pro manager making that move. It's simply a terrible decision that cannot be understated. His explanation was him going with a gut feel for no logical reason. Company guys are pooping on him, it was that bad. Crazy to think two years in a row they'll potentially lose because of Schneider.

I wouldn’t dismiss Atkins and Shapiro having a big part in this strategy / gameplan

[bluejays]

I just can't see it. Little is among the worst pitchers they have. There really is no justification to put him in unless it's a gut feel and making the guy feel welcome. His face coming in looked like he wanted to throw up. He should've pulled himself from the game (I don't actually feel that but I think most seen something bad coming the second he came out). It turned out to be a disaster probably a lot more than people were expecting. He couldn't throw strikes. He shouldn't be on a playoff roster.

[cross16]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

I wouldn’t dismiss Atkins and Shapiro having a big part in this strategy / gameplan

Or dismiss their role in building this pen. Little was for sure the wrong choice but one of the logical guys, Seranthony, didn’t pitch well either. This pen was built more on matchups than set roles.

He made the wrong call yes but I personally wouldn’t be putting all the blame on him if the Jays don’t win the series.

[browna]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Whenever year end meetings happen, and no matter what the outcome of this year ultimately is, I hope Atkins and Shapiro scold Schneider for that move. I'm still incensed this morning. Casual viewers knew Little was a bad choice before it all started and you have a pro manager making that move. It's simply a terrible decision that cannot be understated. His explanation was him going with a gut feel for no logical reason. Company guys are pooping on him, it was that bad. Crazy to think two years in a row they'll potentially lose because of Schneider.

Nah, even if they do, it will ring pretty hollow coming from above.

Schneider more has to worry about those who play the game in the clubhouse that he’s in charge of, losing some trust in him short term and long term over this. If enough vets tell Jays upper management that they can’t trust him going forward, that will be a problem.

When former players, and Roger’s employees, Siddel, Joseph and Pillar went full blown torch mode on him on live TV in the minutes after the game, that same sentiment had to go through many in the room.

In the biggest spot of probably his managerial career to this point, and the biggest moment of many of these players’ career, he got cute trying to play chess with all baseball logic and and reason, and got badly badly burned and put all his players behind the eight ball.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by cross16

Or dismiss their role in building this pen. Little was for sure the wrong choice but one of the logical guys, Seranthony, didn’t pitch well either. This pen was built more on matchups than set roles.

He made the wrong call yes but I personally wouldn’t be putting all the blame on him if the Jays don’t win the series.

In hindsight going all in at the deadline to bring in another top level reliever would have been the right move. Varland has been decent but the Jays probably should have given up more to get another arm who is lights out. There were plenty of guys available. But the price was too high. That’s on management.

But given the roster we do have, if the jays lose this series, I think you have to move on from Schneider. He lost them game 5 with his bad decisions. And there’s still potentially 2 more games for him to make even worse decisions.

[flamingred89]

Its interesting to see how universally panned that decision was. Usually there's always a few fans or media types that can find positives in everything. But nope. Not this. Absolutely brain-dead decision.16 hours later and I'm still pissed.

It's also worrisome that this team can't seem to win low scoring affairs anymore. Which worries me if/when they play the Dodgers in the world series. Even the pesky Jays are going to have a hard time scoring against Snell/Yamamoto/Glasnow. And that's with Ohtani lurking in the shadows.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

In hindsight going all in at the deadline to bring in another top level reliever would have been the right move. Varland has been decent but the Jays probably should have given up more to get another arm who is lights out. There were plenty of guys available. But the price was too high. That’s on management.

But given the roster we do have, if the jays lose this series, I think you have to move on from Schneider. He lost them game 5 with his bad decisions. And there’s still potentially 2 more games for him to make even worse decisions.

Honestly, for the rest of this year he'll be fine. He knows he f'ed up and any decisions he makes will be not overthought ones. He's going to manage scared, but will probably do the right thing now instead of being dumb. I just worry how the players react to being put in a must win situation unnecessarily. It's only two games but if I were a player my blood would be boiling. I've never been so worked up as a fan before, for any sport, in a negative way. This loss was totally avoidable.

[EN FUEGO]

Folks, the offence scored 2 runs yesterday despite many chances....I think they're more upset with themselves for not cashing in all those runners than a pitching decision. I hated that move to put Little in too, but there could be more to this than we know. I also don't think that Hoffman/Dominguez/etc hold them to zero runs over 6 outs last night. You literally have a manager taking this team every bit as far or further than they've gone in 32 years, still very much alive in the series, and folks are calling for his job? Can't make this stuff up. I get the frustration, but they've got to brush it off and win 2 at RC. Good news, it sounds like Springer is okay.

[Roof-Daddy]

The real frustrating part was how the Mariners were almost completely useless offensively for three straight games and the Jays had all the momentum, and with one dumbass decision to gift them a free rally the whole series turned on a dime.

Literal "must win" game now.