Edmonton is No Good X: Up and Down Like a Toilet Seat

[cral12]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Put on the old hip waders and went to HFOil to see how they’re handling this. Answer: Not well. They want Woodcroft fired (they were very jelly over Huska benching a star). They think GG could be better as interim and then of course want Quenneville. But some are talking Sutter (he won’t do it, plus he’d break McDavid), or Boudreau (because once he “fixed” the Caps) and I even saw Hartley mentioned (LOL).

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[FanIn80]

Sobering thought. What if the end result of all of this is another first overall for them?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Sobering thought. What if the end result of all of this is another first overall for them?

lol who cares. The only one they hit out of the park was McDavid

[Khel]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Sobering thought. What if the end result of all of this is another first overall for them?

Thoughts and prayers to that player. No kid deserves such a fate.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Sobering thought. What if the end result of all of this is another first overall for them?

I would hope that if the NHL had any integrity and interest in supporting young players, that if Edmonton's lottery ball came up for the first overall pick, that Bettman would loudly yell "Nope", then take the ball and do a 360 tomahawk slam dunk into the nearest garbage can. Then turn to the camera and do a mic drop.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Sobering thought. What if the end result of all of this is another first overall for them?

That would be hilarious. It would help everyone remember how bad they are despite home many top 5 picks they have.

Lol, Oiler fans talking about the draft is my favorite genre of nogood.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Khel

Thoughts and prayers to that player. No kid deserves such a fate.

The agents of the higher-ranked players are probably telling them to hold back in their games.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I think this is the biggest hurdle, and I don't think it is possible to clear it. Sutter has been consistent about where he would coach, and now that he is 65-years-old I think the chances of that changing are basically NIL.


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He said he only wanted to coach in Calgary, Chicago and Alberta.

He probably wouldn’t have taken an Edmonton job before his last stint in Calgary but after being betrayed by the organization and its fans, his tune might have changed. His legacy has been tarnished and bringing the cup back to Canada would restore it.

The guy loves Alberta, he could become a Provincial legend (the Oilers have a much bigger fan base too) again if he could lead the Oilers to a cup and we know he could.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by 868904

He said he only wanted to coach in Calgary, Chicago and Alberta.

He probably wouldn’t have taken an Edmonton job before his last stint in Calgary but after being betrayed by the organization and its fans, his tune might have changed. His legacy has been tarnished and bringing the cup back to Canada would restore it.

The guy loves Alberta, he could become a Provincial legend (the Oilers have a much bigger fan base too) again if he could lead the Oilers to a cup and we know he could.

I don't remember the "and Alberta" part.

[CaptainCrunch]

Just like the whole, lets replace Woodcroft and bring in Boudreau or whatever else uber coach.


I wonder how Katz would feel about that. My fuzzy memory remembers that he was singularly unimpressed when they fired Tippet with money left on the table. And I guarantee this, if they decide to fire Pugsly that will be their 5th coach since McDavid got there in 2015. That means that their core is a coach killing core. So any good coach is going to not want that headache. And the coaches that are eager to take on the challenge, are probably coaches with a serious gambling debt and a mafia hit out on their name. They're going to want big money long term contracts so they're covered when this core kills him. Plus a smart coach will look at the cap situation, lack of bottom 9 forwards a bad blueline, poor goaltending and a general don't give a crap attitude and the upcoming free agency of Draisaitl and possibly McDavid and politely but firmly hang up the phone on Holland.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by 868904

He said he only wanted to coach in Calgary, Chicago and Alberta.

He probably wouldn’t have taken an Edmonton job before his last stint in Calgary but after being betrayed by the organization and its fans, his tune might have changed. His legacy has been tarnished and bringing the cup back to Canada would restore it.

The guy loves Alberta, he could become a Provincial legend (the Oilers have a much bigger fan base too) again if he could lead the Oilers to a cup and we know he could.

The problem is they don't have the runway that Sutter would need. If you think he can break that 80s delusion they are living in one season, I think that is wishful thinking. That is a beast that will be resistant to change. They need this sorted before Draisaitl thinks about UFA.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Sobering thought. What if the end result of all of this is another first overall for them?

It won't matter. They have had McDrai for 8 seasons and have accomplished nothing with them. The 1st overall in this draft won't be nearly as good as either of them and will be burdened to carry that franchise himself with McDavid and Draisaitl leaving for greener pastures. Good luck.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Sobering thought. What if the end result of all of this is another first overall for them?

I don’t see how they can keep McDrai if their year goes that poorly. They could get an accelerated rebuild if they moved McDrai for heavy futures but who knows how it would all go down?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

I don't remember the "and Alberta" part.

Yeah, that's news to me as well.

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[Boreal]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Just like the whole, lets replace Woodcroft and bring in Boudreau or whatever else uber coach.


I wonder how Katz would feel about that. My fuzzy memory remembers that he was singularly unimpressed when they fired Tippet with money left on the table. And I guarantee this, if they decide to fire Pugsly that will be their 5th coach since McDavid got there in 2015. That means that their core is a coach killing core. So any good coach is going to not want that headache. And the coaches that are eager to take on the challenge, are probably coaches with a serious gambling debt and a mafia hit out on their name. They're going to want big money long term contracts so they're covered when this core kills him. Plus a smart coach will look at the cap situation, lack of bottom 9 forwards a bad blueline, poor goaltending and a general don't give a crap attitude and the upcoming free agency of Draisaitl and possibly McDavid and politely but firmly hang up the phone on Holland.

Exactly. Do they have the horses to play the way _____ coach wants to play? Treliving went out to get more foot soldiers like Lewis that Sutter wanted. Even those assets turned into liabilities once the team stopped consistently executing.

Woody navel gazed at Vegas’s Defense structure & tried to delusionally copy it. When they have Alex Pieterangelo on D as a starting point.

They were decent playing man on man D, & Woody should be punted exactly for delusionally changing it. Now his actions have sewered their goaltenders confidence. .

But before any of this can even happen they need buy in to playing the right way, ie. checking. Limiting opposition chances by working harder, stopping on pucks etc.

This means McDavid & DrySaddle play less, but create an identity to follow. They’ve been ridden/enabled with bad habits for too long for this to change overnight.

Additionally Conny & especially Leon’s offensive game (at least 5 on 5) is predicated on high risk/reward actions. When it works & they get the puck, look out on offence. When it doesn’t, look out on defence.

Too often any attention to good defensive habits by either is prematurely celebrated. Draisatl’s Selke votes as a great example.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by 868904

...The guy loves Alberta, he could become a Provincial legend (the Oilers have a much bigger fan base too) again if he could lead the Oilers to a cup and we know he could.

"We know"?!

Yeah, no.

It's not like the Oilers have suffered through a stream of just crappy coaches. Both McLellan and Tippet are premiere coaches in this League, and even they couldn't pierce the armour of entitlement that covers the Wonder Twins.

Let's not underestimate just how much influence McHobo wields, which may be more than any single player in decades. He gets input on GM and coach selections, on player movement, he calls game officials by their first names in the press, and he reprimands the media. Even if he could be convinced that the Oilers should hire Sutter, why on earth should we think that he would ever listen to him?

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[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Boreal

Exactly. Do they have the horses to play the way _____ coach wants to play? Treliving went out to get more foot soldiers like Lewis that Sutter wanted. Even those assets turned into liabilities once the team stopped consistently executing.

Woody navel gazed at Vegas’s Defense structure & tried to delusionally copy it. When they have Alex Pieterangelo on D as a starting point.

They were decent playing man on man D, & Woody should be punted exactly for delusionally changing it. Now his actions have sewered their goaltenders confidence. .

But before any of this can even happen they need buy in to playing the right way, ie. checking. Limiting opposition chances by working harder, stopping on pucks etc.

This means McDavid & DrySaddle play less, but create an identity to follow. They’ve been ridden/enabled with bad habits for too long for this to change overnight.

Additionally Conny & especially Leon’s offensive game (at least 5 on 5) is predicated on high risk/reward actions. When it works & they get the puck, look out on offence. When it doesn’t, look out on defence.

Too often any attention to good defensive habits by either is prematurely celebrated. Draisatl’s Selke votes as a great example.

The Oilers defensive woes have nothing at all to do with zone or man to man defensive structure. Their GA are almost always missed coverage on a rush against, which is 100% paying attention and back check and effort. The "zone" coverage only matters once possession has been maintained in the defensive zone. If Bouchard or Draisaitl only want to half-ass come back on a two on one or three on two against, it'll cost you

[FlatLandFlamesFan]

Hahahahaha !

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[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Basement toilet bowl. Featuring Pissy and McFlaccid.

The seat is down.

McFlaccid is my favourite Mc-variation name.

[GhostCookie]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Put on the old hip waders and went to HFOil to see how they’re handling this. Answer: Not well. They want Woodcroft fired (they were very jelly over Huska benching a star). They think GG could be better as interim and then of course want Quenneville. But some are talking Sutter (he won’t do it, plus he’d break McDavid), or Boudreau (because once he “fixed” the Caps) and I even saw Hartley mentioned (LOL).

Served a tour of duty on that board as well this morning. It's loads of entertainment. Good to see a number of their fans (must be the tier 2 ones) being vehemently opposed to Q ever coaching again. Of course it's not greaserville without a bunch of their other fans twisting themselves into pretzels about second chances and "maybe he really didn't know". Otherwise it doesn't seem like a lot of consensus (but I think Hartley was one of their less argued discussions).

Wonderful ideas about trading campbell. Basically listing a bunch of goalies with modified NTC's that are underperforming that they think should be 1 for 1 or maybe a second rounder as sweetener. Talk about getting Gibson, not sure what assets they think they have for it. I don't think they realize that Pickard needs to clear waivers to return, and isn't having a bad year in the A. Would be entertaining to watch them torpedo bakersfields season at the same time they are the big clubs season. Likewise if they use the cap space for a D, unless they wait to accrue more space, the guys they can bring up with the space would have to clear waivers on return.

They are so truly screwed form a cap and roster perspective that it warms me up every which way. Whats best is that the Duhnamic Duo will likely get their feet moving and the mcPP going which will propel them into 19th or 20th OA, burning another year of their supposed window and not even giving them usable future assets.