2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[BigErnSalute_16]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

If Bennett is still on the roster (only likely if this ship turns around), I could see a scenario where we trade him to SEA on the condition that they don't draft Gio (hence they presumably take Kylington).

I could also imagine a scenario where we trade the rights to Bennett/Rittich for them to select the other one in the draft. An Allen/Rittich tandem could make sense...not sure which other goalies they'd look at who are younger than Rittich and NHL ready?

I don't think it makes much sense to give up assets to protect would be 37 year old Giordano who has already shown signs of slowing down.

I could definitely see Seattle having the choice of Giordano, Bennett, Kylington and Rittich and probably going with Gio to be the much needed veteran presence for them that either gets moved at the deadline or maybe gets extended for a year or two.

But giving away Bennett and Kylington just to keep 6.75 million on the books makes pretty much 0 sense

[dammage79]

Who knows what happens as we wind down the season. If the Flames fall out of it, then there's going to be some deadline selling. I suspect only a very few select players are as close to locks as you can get. I believe those are Lindholm, Valimaki , Andersson, Markstrom and Tanev (I want Monahan to be one of them as well but I suspect management will explore options). After that it's get really blurry for me, the winds of change could blow strong through the core.

Whatevers left of the aftermath will likely be the protection list.


And if you're out of it at the deadline it's a HARD race to the bottom as covid protocols won't get any incoming players on the ice any time soon, which is nice because it's audition time for a lot of farm hands.

[Roof-Daddy]

It's going to be very interesting to see who makes the Flames protection list this time around.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by BigErnSalute_16

I don't think it makes much sense to give up assets to protect would be 37 year old Giordano who has already shown signs of slowing down.

I could definitely see Seattle having the choice of Giordano, Bennett, Kylington and Rittich and probably going with Gio to be the much needed veteran presence for them that either gets moved at the deadline or maybe gets extended for a year or two.

But giving away Bennett and Kylington just to keep 6.75 million on the books makes pretty much 0 sense

Not saying it's what I'd do, but I could see the org doing it.

I'd be fine with moving on from Gio one way or the other. I think one question would be who holds more trade value after the ED is complete?

A lot of teams will lose a promising mid 20's D-man, so there could be some market for Kylington (probably a 3rd), but Gio would still be worth more (though likely requiring a contract coming back)

[GioforPM]

Obviously I’m a Gio fan but no way am I spending assets to keep him for 1 year at an overpayment. In fact, given this decline was expected for the life of the contract, I’m of the opinion Seattle is helping me by taking on that last year. And I’m giving him a big video tribute when he returns for his game.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Obviously I’m a Gio fan but no way am I spending assets to keep him for 1 year at an overpayment. In fact, given this decline was expected for the life of the contract, I’m of the opinion Seattle is helping me by taking on that last year. And I’m giving him a big video tribute when he returns for his game.

Yep, being sentimental is what cost us when the decision was finally made to trade Iginla. It's a great story when a player plays their whole career from one franchise, but I care more about the product than the lore.

It's a little different with Gio than Iginla. Trading Iginla a year or two earlier would have set this franchise up for years. In the end, Iginla wanted to go to a contender anyway and we had to settle for pennies on the dollar. It's a business for the players and loyalty only goes so far.

With Gio, he peaked late but there was always the understanding that despite that, father time catches up to everyone and teams weren't likely to pay a lot. At this point, it would be a cap decision more than a direct asset management decision to let him go. I won't be too worried if we let him ride it out, but I wouldn't want the team to go out of their way for it either.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

If Bennett is still on the roster (only likely if this ship turns around), I could see a scenario where we trade him to SEA on the condition that they don't draft Gio (hence they presumably take Kylington).

I could also imagine a scenario where we trade the rights to Bennett/Rittich for them to select the other one in the draft. An Allen/Rittich tandem could make sense...not sure which other goalies they'd look at who are younger than Rittich and NHL ready?

What are you smoking? If they can draft Gio from us we should absolutely not prevent that from happening lol.

[Wolfman]

If Gio is protected in the expansion draft I'm out

[really?]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Obviously I’m a Gio fan but no way am I spending assets to keep him for 1 year at an overpayment. In fact, given this decline was expected for the life of the contract, I’m of the opinion Seattle is helping me by taking on that last year. And I’m giving him a big video tribute when he returns for his game.

This is the objective response. Love the player, character, etc., but he is attached to a 6+ million obligation. If Seattle was to take that obligation, you allow that to happen any day. Vegas was able to do what they did because the league coolectively overvalued experience and undervalued the currency of financial flexibility. There will be a lot of Giordano types for Seattle to ponder, not so many Karlssons, Marchesaults, Tuchs, etc...

[Roof-Daddy]

Protecting gio or paying price to protect gio from the expansion draft is an absurd notion IMO.

If that happens any faith l have left in Treliving will probably be gone.

[Two Fivenagame]

If the Flames are out of it approaching the deadline, does BT trade Gio to a contender?

[Dan403]

Originally Posted by Two Fivenagame

If the Flames are out of it approaching the deadline, does BT trade Gio to a contender?

It would be good asset management to do it.

Might get a nice little return.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Per TSN insiders, the Hurricanes are warming up to the thought of an Eric Steal reunion, while their team is a playoff-caliber team.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Aaron Potzline from the Athletic says that Domi, Grigorenko, and likely Savard are notable names that should be on the trade block.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

What are you smoking? If they can draft Gio from us we should absolutely not prevent that from happening lol.

We can be 99% sure that neither Bennett nor Rittich will be Flames next year. Absolute best case scenario is you get a 4th or worse for signing rights to either (though I don't think very likely) if they aren't moved before TDL.

Kylington is probably worth about a 3rd.


Gio's value is much harder to drill down. Trading him before this TDL will be tough considering his contract and ED implications (an acquiring team might be happy to lose him to SEA...but they may not want his cap hit next year if he isn't taken).

Post ED or next year's TDL I think you could probably get something like a 2nd+4th+roster player (obviously all depends on cap retention and his performance in the mean time).


I'm just saying that instead of losing Gio, Rittich, and Bennett for nothing and retaining Kylington (who is unlikely to pay immediate dividends and might fetch a 3rd)...you lose Rittich, Bennett (and maybe Kylington), and then trade Gio for a bit more.

[Flamesforever99]

As long as Tre is in charge we're going to be mediocre forever.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

We can be 99% sure that neither Bennett nor Rittich will be Flames next year. Absolute best case scenario is you get a 4th or worse for signing rights to either (though I don't think very likely) if they aren't moved before TDL.

Kylington is probably worth about a 3rd.


Gio's value is much harder to drill down. Trading him before this TDL will be tough considering his contract and ED implications (an acquiring team might be happy to lose him to SEA...but they may not want his cap hit next year if he isn't taken).

Post ED or next year's TDL I think you could probably get something like a 2nd+4th+roster player (obviously all depends on cap retention and his performance in the mean time).


I'm just saying that instead of losing Gio, Rittich, and Bennett for nothing and retaining Kylington (who is unlikely to pay immediate dividends and might fetch a 3rd)...you lose Rittich, Bennett (and maybe Kylington), and then trade Gio for a bit more.

You're saying Flames won't be able to extract a stiff price for him?

[Poe969]

When it comes to his trade value, they probably won't be able to get it up.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Poe969

When it comes to his trade value, they probably won't be able to get it up.

I would rather he turns into a franchise guy with us. We can erect a statue of him.

[powderjunkie]