2025 Toronto Blue Jays Season Thread

[troutman]

Originally Posted by FireGilbert

Dumb managing aside the difference in the game was the Jays getting no runs with the based loaded nobody out, while the Ms got 4 in the same situation.

Expected runs in that scenario is 2.3.

Zero runs is expected only 13.5 % of the time.

[Cortez]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

While Hoffman is not a great option, he's a far better option than Little. I put Hoffman on the mound and put Raleigh on first base. Then I trust Hoffman to get the outs and avoid giving up runs. If he can't, you tip your cap and get ready for game 6.

But honestly, I also let Gausman pitch longer and don't go to my bullpen so soon. Pulling starters in the 6th is a habit of Schneider's, and it's something he has to reevaluate.

I'm not sure he'll ever learn. I really thought things would be different this year having some playoff failures behind him. But no. Still trying to be the smartest guy in the room with no feel for the human element

[Jiggy_12]

Joe Siddal for upcoming vacant manager role

[Jiggy_12]

Perfect timing, Sportsnet just aired a Dr Oetker commercial with the hook “Little makes a big difference”

….

[Cortez]

Just think about this. They go to Hoffman and Dominguez yesterday in the 8th and 9th of an 8-2 game. Because it was must win. But a 2-1 game they go to Little. I just can't with this ####

[Jiri Hrdina]

What Ohtani is doing tonight is quite something
Looks like the Brewers are going quietly into the night

[FireGilbert]

Would have felt a lot better if the Ms manufactured a tying run late and won in extras. That 8th couldn’t have gone any worse and was completely demoralising.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

What Ohtani is doing tonight is quite something
Looks like the Brewers are going quietly into the night

They got the best player in baseball basically without it counting against their cap. Such BS

[Jiggy_12]

The Jays suffered a gut-punch loss in game 3 against the Yankees that they immediately bounced back from.

This was a bigger gut punch, but every time this year I’ve counted them out they’ve immediately made me feel foolish.

One more time Jays. Do it again.

[Whynotnow]

The jays haven’t won in the playoffs if they score less than 5 runs. In September it only happened 3 times and only twice in August. The manager was a dunce but unless this offense goes off, they can’t win. They are the oilers of the mlb, fatally flawed in one of the most critical areas, leverage relief.

Can you imagine Ohtani vs this bullpen?

[EN FUEGO]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

The Jays suffered a gut-punch loss in game 3 against the Yankees that they immediately bounced back from.

This was a bigger gut punch, but every time this year I’ve counted them out they’ve immediately made me feel foolish.

One more time Jays. Do it again.

Exactly. Not to mention the 2 straight losses at home gut punch. It's a great series, nothing left to do but win 2 games at home now. Scherzer's start, Gausman's start, Giminez's 2 HR, and Little's handiwork are all in the past now....turn the page and win.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

What Ohtani is doing tonight is quite something
Looks like the Brewers are going quietly into the night

Ohtani is in another universe when compared to the rest of the league. A very gifted talent that doesn't come along very much.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by EN FUEGO

Exactly. Not to mention the 2 straight losses at home gut punch. It's a great series, nothing left to do but win 2 games at home now. Scherzer's start, Gausman's start, Giminez's 2 HR, and Little's handiwork are all in the past now....turn the page and win.

The only thing that worries me is what Schneider can do next to #### it all up.

[bluejays]

I simply wonder how the other players rally against this with the "enemy" being in the room with his stupid decision? It's easy to rally around a tough game when the other team beat you, but when the coach does it, it's hard to get the steam out of your head and trust him. Certainly you trust your teammates, but my blood would boil seeing Schneider now. Secondly, there's a lot to ask of Yesavage in an elimination game. I hope they have Bassitt ready to go if needed.


Anyway, I really can't fall asleep. This is such a letdown. Probably the worst management decision from a Jays manager I've ever seen.

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I simply wonder how the other players rally against this with the "enemy" being in the room with his stupid decision? It's easy to rally around a tough game when the other team beat you, but when the coach does it, it's hard to get the steam out of your head and trust him. Certainly you trust your teammates, but my blood would boil seeing Schneider now. Secondly, there's a lot to ask of Yesavage in an elimination game. I hope they have Bassitt ready to go if needed.


Anyway, I really can't fall asleep. This is such a letdown. Probably the worst management decision from a Jays manager I've ever seen.

Yeah after that i don't see how they have a chance.

[browna]

The Ms used their closers mid game. Schenider uses a (struggling) mid innings guy to try and hold a lead in the 8th inning when he has 2 closers picking their nose in the bullpen.

Seemingly so that he could have left on left matchup 3 BATTERS AWAY. No problem, just have to breeze through the 63hr guy and the cleanup guy as right handers. He used both of those guys for a handful of pitches in 8th and 9th yesterday with a 6 run lead. But in the biggest game of the season he hands it to a struggling guy.

Feel bad for Little, he will get the brunt of this and this fires his confidence into the toilet for the next 2 games and next series.

Players only meeting should be held and have them rally amongst themselves. When all the former players are lambasting Schneider for this move, you can’t imagine the dressing room is not of the same mind.

This lineup can win the next 2 games and win 4 of 7 against the Dodgers, but it will be in spite on the manager, not thanks to him. Players may not get to this point in their careers again, who knows, so can’t have one incompetent person blow this all up.

[EN FUEGO]

Originally Posted by Dan02

Yeah after that i don't see how they have a chance.

Some around here didn't think they had a chance at the division with 4 games left to go at home and being the #1 home team in the AL. This is only two home games against a team they've shown the ability to break through against at times. As far as Schneider being "the enemy", that's nuts. The guy has managed all of these players (on a last place time without many valuable additions) into a two game shot at the WS. They'll bounce back like they've done all year. I just hope Springer is alright.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Dan02

Yeah after that i don't see how they have a chance.

It’s not possible for a series to be any closer than this. With all remaining games at home, they have a good chance.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by browna

The Ms used their closers mid game. Schenider uses a (struggling) mid innings guy to try and hold a lead in the 8th inning when he has 2 closers picking their nose in the bullpen.

Seemingly so that he could have left on left matchup 3 BATTERS AWAY. No problem, just have to breeze through the 63hr guy and the cleanup guy as right handers. He used both of those guys for a handful of pitches in 8th and 9th yesterday with a 6 run lead. But in the biggest game of the season he hands it to a struggling guy.

Feel bad for Little, he will get the brunt of this and this fires his confidence into the toilet for the next 2 games and next series.

Players only meeting should be held and have them rally amongst themselves. When all the former players are lambasting Schneider for this move, you can’t imagine the dressing room is not of the same mind.

This lineup can win the next 2 games and win 4 of 7 against the Dodgers, but it will be in spite on the manager, not thanks to him. Players may not get to this point in their careers again, who knows, so can’t have one incompetent person blow this all up.

^ good points all in all. That's what bothers me so much about this. This lineup isn't a name brand group top to bottom, so to compete again next year changes will have to be made. I wasn't a believer at the start and even more recently but these guys genuinely are underdogs just trying to get on base and have executed brilliantly when needed. To think they're a better team and aren't going to make the WS because of one dumb move, really bothers me. John will be run out of town if they don't bounce back. It was such a bad decision.


Little was put into a bad position. I feel for him to some degree because it wasn't his "fault". But there seems to be a trend with many of the relievers where they just can't throw strikes and fall behind early. It's a mortal sin that they need to work on. Get ahead of the count, and stop throwing breakers in the dirt early on. It's happening more than I've ever seen.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

The Jays suffered a gut-punch loss in game 3 against the Yankees that they immediately bounced back from.

This was a bigger gut punch, but every time this year I’ve counted them out they’ve immediately made me feel foolish.

One more time Jays. Do it again.

This isn’t a gut punch, this is Schneider turning around doing the punching in the back of his own players heads.

Originally Posted by Dan02

Yeah after that i don't see how they have a chance.

I think they can and have a decent chance. But now the margin for error or some fluke bounce is zero in the next two games. Jays looked comfortable tonight but now that energy from 2.75 games in Seattle went from 100 to zero.

Schneider is good for ####ing up 1 playoff game per round (Mariners Game 2 2022, Twins Game 2 2023 with puzzling pitching decisions. He had a few bad calls in Yanks game 3 and to a lesser extent pulled starters in game 1 and 2 this series with the game tied. It’s why the Jays had to not play the WC round because he’d mess one of those up and leave no room for error.

But tonight was more obvious, more egregious and more timely than any of those. I said after the Twins series and a lot last year that this team doesn’t win with Schenider and this is proof of that. However, at this point now, this roster can put two wins together and get to the WS as underdogs, but it will because of solid starters and a great offense that can bombard the Mariners and Dodgers with contact.