2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Roof-Daddy]

Hopefully a contender with limited cap space wants Laine and the Flames can eat some of the contract for a price

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

Don't need Laine after signing Mantha. Would hurt our development of prospects to add another scoring winger.

Laine hurts Kuzmenko's value as both are goal scoring righties that excel on the PP. We already have Kuzmenko and if he plays well, we can flip him for the assets people are suggesting we flip Laine for. Kuzmenko is already here so it does not cost us anything to pick him up and his cap hit is easier to trade. We need to leave Kuzmenko where he is and maximize his trade value.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I think Conroy has made it clear, we are rebuilding but he still wants them to compete.

In other words he wants to rebuild but doesn't want to go full Oiler.

But yeah we need something to build around before we start building.

[CFO]

I don't understand why Columbus needs to package assets? Don't they have cap room?

Why wouldn't they just retain significant salary on Laine for 2 years and then give him away for that?

At a cap hit 3/4 million a year there must be takers

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CFO

I don't understand why Columbus needs to package assets? Don't they have cap room?

Why wouldn't they just retain significant salary on Laine for 2 years and then give him away for that?

At a cap hit 3/4 million a year there must be takers

It might be great for Calgary if they take him for a year or to the TDL and flip him at a second retention.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Laine hurts Kuzmenko's value as both are goal scoring righties that excel on the PP. We already have Kuzmenko and if he plays well, we can flip him for the assets people are suggesting we flip Laine for. Kuzmenko is already here so it does not cost us anything to pick him up and his cap hit is easier to trade. We need to leave Kuzmenko where he is and maximize his trade value.

Laine’s contract makes him zero competition for Kuzmenko..

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Redrum

In other words he wants to rebuild but doesn't want to go full Oiler.

But yeah we need something to build around before we start building.

That's too bad. He's making the same mistakes some of the other former GMs have made in the past. They know they're gonna be bad, but don't be too bad, wow yeah, that's worked out so well for this organization over the last several decades. Maybe in 10 years we can try to win 1 round and be swept in the 2nd. Mediocrity forever.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

That's too bad. He's making the same mistakes some of the other former GMs have made in the past. They know they're gonna be bad, but don't be too bad, wow yeah, that's worked out so well for this organization over the last several decades. Maybe in 10 years we can try to win 1 round and be swept in the 2nd. Mediocrity forever.

He’s making the mistake or that’s the mandate from above?

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

That's too bad. He's making the same mistakes some of the other former GMs have made in the past. They know they're gonna be bad, but don't be too bad, wow yeah, that's worked out so well for this organization over the last several decades. Maybe in 10 years we can try to win 1 round and be swept in the 2nd. Mediocrity forever.

You want a tank. A rebuild is not a tank. A tank is something you put oil in. Oilers tank.


In all seriousness, Conroy has been incomprehensibly better at asset management than Treliving was for us. Treliving rarely traded expiring UFA's for example.

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

You want a tank. A rebuild is not a tank. A tank is something you put oil in. Oilers tank.


In all seriousness, Conroy has been incomprehensibly better at asset management than Treliving was for us. Treliving rarely traded expiring UFA's for example.

LOL. I didn't see the end coming.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

That's too bad. He's making the same mistakes some of the other former GMs have made in the past. They know they're gonna be bad, but don't be too bad, wow yeah, that's worked out so well for this organization over the last several decades. Maybe in 10 years we can try to win 1 round and be swept in the 2nd. Mediocrity forever.

Yeah, it's just not going to be good enough to finish dead last with 60 points and draft in the top 3 (position dependent on lottery results).

We need to finish dead last with 30 points and draft super-double-secret-probation top 3! Because the NHL has a secret stash of generational players that are only available to teams that try really really hard to suck.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Hopefully a contender with limited cap space wants Laine and the Flames can eat some of the contract for a price

We only have one retention spot left. Gotta make it count. maybe that's it but I'm hoping there's a bigger bread winner.

edit: nm 2 left

[memphusk]

Who is being retained on? Just Markstrom isn't it?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Who is being retained on? Just Markstrom isn't it?

Correct.

Flames have 2 retention spots if they so choose to use them.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

That's too bad. He's making the same mistakes some of the other former GMs have made in the past. They know they're gonna be bad, but don't be too bad, wow yeah, that's worked out so well for this organization over the last several decades. Maybe in 10 years we can try to win 1 round and be swept in the 2nd. Mediocrity forever.

Well there's a big difference between a rebuild and full Oiler. If not for the rule designed specifically to keep the Oilers(not bad teams in general) from getting the 1st overall(which got them McDiver), they'd be working on 20 years with no playoffs. Instead, Buffalo is suffering the consequences of Edmonton's extreme no goodness.

You're not wrong though, they've botched it badly in the past and they have a long way to go. But hopefully the prospects they've gathered in the last few months will encourage them to stick with it rather than trying to go for it with a half-assed attempt like 10 years ago.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Who is being retained on? Just Markstrom isn't it?

Originally Posted by transplant99

Correct.

Flames have 2 retention spots if they so choose to use them.

You are correct, I was thinking of before July 1.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

You are correct, I was thinking of before July 1.

July 1 wasn't even particularly relevant. The language in the CBA is quite clear: a team can only have retained salary from three player contracts during any given league year. ‘Retention slots’ are a lazy shorthand used by sports reporters, most of whom can't understand legal documents or accounting procedures, but can at least count to three.

If, for instance, a team made a trade with retention at the 2024 draft, the amount retained would count against the '24-25 cap, not '23-24, because none of the retained salary was actually due to be paid before the end of the '23-24 league year. It doesn't matter that the actual trade occurred in June, as long as no cheques were payable before July 1.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

July 1 wasn't even particularly relevant. The language in the CBA is quite clear: a team can only have retained salary from three player contracts during any given league year. ‘Retention slots’ are a lazy shorthand used by sports reporters, most of whom can't understand legal documents or accounting procedures, but can at least count to three.

If, for instance, a team made a trade with retention at the 2024 draft, the amount retained would count against the '24-25 cap, not '23-24, because none of the retained salary was actually due to be paid before the end of the '23-24 league year. It doesn't matter that the actual trade occurred in June, as long as no cheques were payable before July 1.

Before July 1 we had 2 retention slots used. That's all I meant.

[Royle9]

With Laine coming out of the NHLPA player assistance program trade talks have definitely picked up and with teams free to speak to him, it sounds like there's a number of teams looking to potentially pick him up if he's comfortable joining them.

Cant forget his shoulder injury however, though rumour is he's healing well and training is going quite well.
Jackets are willing to eat salary to sweeten the deal, but what version of Laine are you getting? He hasn't performed up to his ability the last few seasons and teams know this.

MTL is pretty high on Laine, seems to be substantial smoke around a deal with CBJ looking for futures now more so than roster players. B prospect + 2nd round pick is what teams seem to be comfortable giving up, but CBJ continue to want as much as possible. Some teams still think a deal around what Kuznetsov got is more realistic (3rd + retention by the team) so we'll see.

I've been told Calgary has no interest so some of you can breathe a sigh of relief

[Sandman]

I like the "idea" of Laine more than the real thing. I think his GAF meter is diminishing rapidly with each passing year.