2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Badgers Nose]

If Leafs want Tre they’ll get him.

So Sutter coaching and GMing is not that far fetched.

Rift or no rift.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It looks like most of Sutter's trades and signings were OK, just one really big blunder. Drafting though... a few nice picks, but mostly trash. I don't know how much he had a hand in it, or if it was the staff. I recall some talk before that he only really made his pick in the 1st round, but then let the scouts run the show after that. I also kind of give him credit for acquiring Sean Donovan. It was rumoured at the time that Sutter identified him as a player to acquire and Button did it.

His worst move of course was firing himself as coach and hiring Brent.

Weird that Capfriendly has Chris Butler as a Flames draft pick though. A rare mistake for them I guess.

He fired Keenan for Brent on under some questionable circumstances.

He also went through coaches as well. Playfair Keenan Brent before he thankfully was booted.

This organization sorely misses Burke. He kept the meddling owners in their place with Ken King.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

He fired Keenan for Brent on under some questionable circumstances.

He also went through coaches as well. Playfair Keenan Brent before he thankfully was booted.

This organization sorely misses Burke. He kept the meddling owners in their place with Ken King.

The owners dictated the firing of Keenan.

I recall Keenan describing Darryl telling him “I’m not firing you, the owners are”

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

If Leafs want Tre they’ll get him.

So Sutter coaching and GMing is not that far fetched.

Rift or no rift.

Is there a rumour the Leafs want Tre?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Is there a rumour the Leafs want Tre?

It is a rumour, but nothing more.

Never made any sense that with a core of young superstars, the Leafs would move from Lou Lamoreillo to a GM who’d never managed a hockey team at any level that required him to negotiate contracts.

Probably cost them a title, and a few extra years of Matthews.

Lol.

[traptor]

Sutter is not an easy guy to work with. He's demanding and stubborn. Many have said it. Rhett says it. Chucky obviously had no love lost. Any many other ex pros have said similar things.

It's not crazy that they're is a rift between him and Trie. Trie has made comments in his latest interviews of he wants to see the prospects played but all he can do is bring them up. Player usage is fully in Sutters control. Sutters also always taking shots at the talent level of the rosters, including last season.

[kyuss275]

I’m not convinced that Sutter would want to be a full time gm again. That said if Tre moves on , I could see Sutter having final approval on trades and signings with a new gm.

[Murph]

Originally Posted by traptor

Sutter is not an easy guy to work with. He's demanding and stubborn. Many have said it. Rhett says it. Chucky obviously had no love lost. Any many other ex pros have said similar things.

It's not crazy that they're is a rift between him and Trie. Trie has made comments in his latest interviews of he wants to see the prospects played but all he can do is bring them up. Player usage is fully in Sutters control. Sutters also always taking shots at the talent level of the rosters, including last season.

Anyone who thinks there isn’t a rift is kidding themselves. Lucic playing with Hubredeau and Kadri while the likes of Ruzicka, Phillips and Pelletier are up with the big club is all the evidence that is required.

Treliving needs to pull a Billy Beane and demote or trade anyone who Sutter puts on that wing who isn’t who he wants there.

[Flames_F.T.W]

Sutter being in charge of drafting again is just about the scariest thing I can imagine for this franchise.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I’m not convinced that Sutter would want to be a full time gm again. That said if Tre moves on , I could see Sutter having final approval on trades and signings with a new gm.

So all the powers of the GM without the title and plausible deniability if those decisions do not work out.

[Vinny01]

When the Flames started the 09/10 season the team was built horribly. Letting Cammalleri walk was a massive mistake and adding another high priced Dman resulted in Rene Bourque being the 4th highest paid forward at $1.4M. Iginla, Bouwmeester, Phaneuf, Kiprusoff, Jokinen, Langkow, Regehr, Sarich were the highest paid Flames before they got into low value contracts.


The embarrassing trade with Toronto followed up by the horrendous deal with New York where they took multiple years of Kotalik who was a healthy scratch for a dozen games before the deal for Jokinen’s expiring contract made this team look like a joke. They kept that reputation until Burke was hired several years later.

The Flames likely could have got a Kessel like return of multiple 1sts if they moved Phaneuf shortly after they secured Bouwmeester and then used the cap space to keep the guy who just scored 39 goals and 82pts in Cammalleri. Instead they went into the 2010 draft with no pick until the 3rd round.

Massive NO to Sutter going back upstairs. Also no to Futa coming in to be his yes man

[madmike]

I already watch more Leafs than Flames games because I live just outside Toronto. I think Sutter becoming GM again would make me a full-fledged Leafs fan.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Murph

Anyone who thinks there isn’t a rift is kidding themselves. Lucic playing with Hubredeau and Kadri while the likes of Ruzicka, Phillips and Pelletier are up with the big club is all the evidence that is required.

Treliving needs to pull a Billy Beane and demote or trade anyone who Sutter puts on that wing who isn’t who he wants there.

You think Tre going to war with a stubborn coach , who probably has ownership backing him , is a good idea? It would be entertaining. If somehow Tre could trade lucic , Sutter would just promote Lewis to that line and play 7dmen , over a rookie to make his point. My biggest concern when they brought back Sutter was , are we going to become a slower veteran laced team.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

When the Flames started the 09/10 season the team was built horribly. Letting Cammalleri walk was a massive mistake and adding another high priced Dman resulted in Rene Bourque being the 4th highest paid forward at $1.4M. Iginla, Bouwmeester, Phaneuf, Kiprusoff, Jokinen, Langkow, Regehr, Sarich were the highest paid Flames before they got into low value contracts.


The embarrassing trade with Toronto followed up by the horrendous deal with New York where they took multiple years of Kotalik who was a healthy scratch for a dozen games before the deal for Jokinen’s expiring contract made this team look like a joke. They kept that reputation until Burke was hired several years later.

The Flames likely could have got a Kessel like return of multiple 1sts if they moved Phaneuf shortly after they secured Bouwmeester and then used the cap space to keep the guy who just scored 39 goals and 82pts in Cammalleri. Instead they went into the 2010 draft with no pick until the 3rd round.

Massive NO to Sutter going back upstairs. Also no to Futa coming in to be his yes man

Also he did weird things like trade Wayne Primeau and a 2nd to the Leafs to unload his salary for Anton Stralman who the Flames never even took a look at before unloading him to Columbus. He only went on to play almost 1000 games.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

You think Tre going to war with a stubborn coach , who probably has ownership backing him , is a good idea? It would be entertaining. If somehow Tre could trade lucic , Sutter would just promote Lewis to that line and play 7dmen , over a rookie to make his point. My biggest concern when they brought back Sutter was , are we going to become a slower veteran laced team.

I think we will find out one way or another this summer what's really going on in the building. Treliving is a pro and all but I'm sure Darryl's continuous comments on the roster deficiencies haven't gone unnoticed. Also there does seem to be a bit of a disconnect with Phillips and Pelletier being called up but not really getting much of a chance to play. However it's possible we are reading too much into some of this and there are no issues there. I do think the Leafs could be a factor depending on their playoff results. If they lose in the first round again there will very likely be an opening and I think Treliving is a GM the Leafs would look at hiring.

[Tailgator]

It does seem like the coach and GM are not on the same page….or even in the same book. Just speculating, but, with Sutter being signed, and Treliving not, Sutter was an ownership hire. It almost looks like now it’s a “it’s me or the coach” and Edwards has made his choice. If Sutter takes over as GM, I think this franchise is in trouble…..

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by madmike

I already watch more Leafs than Flames games because I live just outside Toronto. I think Sutter becoming GM again would make me a full-fledged Leafs fan.

Darryl Sutter the GM is literally why people have positive memories of the Calgary Flames in the 21st century.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Treliving is a smart man and asked for autonomy prior to his last contract. If Edwards told him sutter is coming anf signed him and just let Tre be a lame duck gm he would have left.

Why do through the agony and stress of this offseason if you are not wanted?

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Treliving is a smart man and asked for autonomy prior to his last contract. If Edwards told him sutter is coming anf signed him and just let Tre be a lame duck gm he would have left.

Why do through the agony and stress of this offseason if you are not wanted?

I think (again, assuming Treliving is out and Sutter gains more power) that this was a gradual power struggle and one that Treliving didn't foresee when he signed his deal. Also would explain why he's (possibly) be left to die on the vine. No extension.

As of now he has that autonomy. Ownership still signs off though and we've seen him make deals and bring players up etc. Nothing has changed there.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Darryl Sutter the GM is literally why people have positive memories of the Calgary Flames in the 21st century.

He had been GM for all of 18 months when the Flames made the 03-04 run.

It would be like giving Treliving too much credit for the 14-15 team.

In reality the Flames got super lucky too...injuries forced Sutter to go get a goalie and he happened to get Kipper who he was familiar with from San Jose.

If Turek and Mclennan dont both get hurt we look back at Sutter's time as GM and that whole era of Flames hockey a lot differently