2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[TheIronMaiden]

Laine is not a hill I will die on. If the Flames don't trade for him that isn't a big deal.

That said, I think that there are incongruent philosophies about what a rebuild is.

To me, a rebuild is tearing the team down and then immediately trying smartly to get good again by bringing in talented young players. Further, I think despite adding talented young players the team will still struggle and pick in the top 10. ( obviously no one is suggesting we trade any picks in the first 2 rounds). That said, guys like Stromgren and Porier who have been passed in the depth chart, but are still decent prospects can be used to improve the team in other ways.

It seems ( and correct me if I am wrong) Paulie Walnuts and others think that a team should tear down to the studs, and then wallow at the bottom of the standings for a few years before trying to get better.


I think we can all agree that the Flames did a great job of tearing the team down and accumulating pick/ prospects.

the difference is what's next.

[Groot]

Picking up Laine only makes sense as a means to upgrade draft picks or prospects by hoping he sees a return to form and can be flipped for better assets.

Take a 3rd and prospect in the 15-20 range. I would not want Stromgren or Poirier included. Maybe something like Scwhindt + 2026 3rd. Then hope Laine has some value and can be flipped for better assets than a 3rd and C-prospect. It's a risk, but if it doesn't work out you haven't given up much and if it does work, you've converted a low prospect and 3rd rounder to something better. Helps the rebuild.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Laine is not a hill I will die on. If the Flames don't trade for him that isn't a big deal.

That said, I think that there are incongruent philosophies about what a rebuild is.

To me, a rebuild is tearing the team down and then immediately trying smartly to get good again by bringing in talented young players. Further, I think despite adding talented young players the team will still struggle and pick in the top 10. ( obviously no one is suggesting we trade any picks in the first 2 rounds). That said, guys like Stromgren and Porier who have been passed in the depth chart, but are still decent prospects can be used to improve the team in other ways.

It seems ( and correct me if I am wrong) Paulie Walnuts and others think that a team should tear down to the studs, and then wallow at the bottom of the standings for a few years before trying to get better.


I think we can all agree that the Flames did a great job of tearing the team down and accumulating pick/ prospects.

the difference is what's next.

They have pretty much torn the team down the studs. The pieces who remain are either untradable or they want to be here like Weegar and Kadri.

He just traded our starting goalie for a draft pick and 3rd pairing d man. Our tandem next year is a unproven rookie, and a backup coming off hip surgery.

I think its clear what the plan is.

What you are talking about is a retool, which is not what we are doing. We have nothing to retool around.

[Goriders]

I think picking up Laine with some draft picks included as incentive would be a good move. We have tons of cap space.

[The Original FFIV]

Oliver Wahlstrom signs I year 1 million deal. Nyi needs to lose cap space. Value cant get any lower than it currently is. Do we throw them a b/c waiver exempt prospect to bring him in? I know we need C but was highly regarded prospect that hasn’t popped yet. Acl injury but seems like a reclamation project that it might be worth taking a swing on.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Groot

Picking up Laine only makes sense as a means to upgrade draft picks or prospects by hoping he sees a return to form and can be flipped for better assets.

Take a 3rd and prospect in the 15-20 range. I would not want Stromgren or Poirier included. Maybe something like Scwhindt + 2026 3rd. Then hope Laine has some value and can be flipped for better assets than a 3rd and C-prospect. It's a risk, but if it doesn't work out you haven't given up much and if it does work, you've converted a low prospect and 3rd rounder to something better. Helps the rebuild.

At this point Laine seems like damaged goods. I’d almost see it like the Monahan to Montreal deal.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Laine is not a hill I will die on. If the Flames don't trade for him that isn't a big deal.

To me, a rebuild is tearing the team down and then immediately trying smartly to get good again by bringing in talented young players. Further, I think despite adding talented young players the team will still struggle and pick in the top 10. ( obviously no one is suggesting we trade any picks in the first 2 rounds). That said, guys like Stromgren and Porier who have been passed in the depth chart, but are still decent prospects can be used to improve the team in other ways.

It seems ( and correct me if I am wrong) Paulie Walnuts and others think that a team should tear down to the studs, and then wallow at the bottom of the standings for a few years before trying to get better.

I think you are taking the CP prospect rankings way too seriously. Stromgren and Poirier have played decently in the AHL, I bet they are higher on the Flames depth chart than CPs.

Adding talented young players is a great plan but the trades that end up as big wins are rare. For every Bennett there are a multitude more of players like Hamonic, Lazar, Griffin Reinhart, Shinkaurk, Baertschi etc etc. A Laine trade is also a weird player to start the rant on. A trade for him is more likely to go the way of Hamonic unless the Flames get assets to take him. I could understand Sillinger or Kent Johnston or something.

[Ba'alzamon]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I think you are taking the CP prospect rankings way too seriously. Stromgren and Poirier have played decently in the AHL, I bet they are higher on the Flames depth chart than CPs.



Adding talented young players is a great plan but the trades that end up as big wins are rare. For every Bennett there are a multitude more of players like Hamonic, Lazar, Griffin Reinhart, Shinkaurk, Baertschi etc etc. A Laine trade is more likely to go the way of Hamonic than anything else.

also, don't confuse prospect rankings with depth charts. They're completely different things.

Morin is a better prospect than Solovyov, but Solovyov is definitely higher on the depth chart.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Goriders

At this point Laine seems like damaged goods. I’d almost see it like the Monahan to Montreal deal.

I agree. CBJ should be packaging a draft pick and Laine for good ol' future considerations. Just more so explaining my thoughts on why you'd potentially give up low quality assets to bring him in, and it's not to make the team better now, it's to support a rebuild.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Oliver Wahlstrom signs I year 1 million deal. Nyi needs to lose cap space. Value cant get any lower than it currently is. Do we throw them a b/c waiver exempt prospect to bring him in? I know we need C but was highly regarded prospect that hasn’t popped yet. Acl injury but seems like a reclamation project that it might be worth taking a swing on.

That's $950k over with a 23 man roster. Tsyplakov or MacLean could be sent down without waivers. I could also see someone like Fasching or Cizikas losing his spot and going on waivers.

[Macho0978]

I think teams like Chicago, Anaheim or SJ who are rebuilding teams that might make sense to add Laine. These teams have tons of extra young players and picks and cap to add, but the key difference is they got their guys they are building around already. Buy low on Laine and he plays like he is capable of, adding him to a guy like Bedard could put the Hawks in a great spot. But they already have Bedard to go with a ton of other young players.

Even with Bedard, it could still make sense for Chicago to build through the draft, but IMO teams like this should be looking at Laine, not the Flames. We can do that type of move in a couple years.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

They have pretty much torn the team down the studs. The pieces who remain are either untradable or they want to be here like Weegar and Kadri.

He just traded our starting goalie for a draft pick and 3rd pairing d man. Our tandem next year is a unproven rookie, and a backup coming off hip surgery.

I think its clear what the plan is.

What you are talking about is a retool, which is not what we are doing. We have nothing to retool around.

We agree this is a rebuild, the team has been torn all the way down, with exception to Mantha and Kuzenmenko who are 100% gone before the season is over.

Where we disagree is that I think the team should start looking to improve as soon as now knowing that we are going to be a bottom 10 team no matter what.

you think ( from what I can tell, again sorry if I misrepresent our opinion) that we should just take it on the chin and suck/hope we can draft in the top 3 and that that player will be a franchise player.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Groot

I agree. CBJ should be packaging a draft pick and Laine for good ol' future considerations. Just more so explaining my thoughts on why you'd potentially give up low quality assets to bring him in, and it's not to make the team better now, it's to support a rebuild.

Columbus just wants him and his contract gone. They should be paying for that. Not receiving.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I think you are taking the CP prospect rankings way too seriously. Stromgren and Poirier have played decently in the AHL, I bet they are higher on the Flames depth chart than CPs.

Adding talented young players is a great plan but the trades that end up as big wins are rare. For every Bennett there are a multitude more of players like Hamonic, Lazar, Griffin Reinhart, Shinkaurk, Baertschi etc etc. A Laine trade is also a weird player to start the rant on. A trade for him is more likely to go the way of Hamonic unless the Flames get assets to take him. I could understand Sillinger or Kent Johnston or something.

I think both players are much lower on the Flames charts then we ranked them. Porier and Stromgren are more likely to be Hamonic, Lazar, Griffin Reinhart, Shinkaurk, Baertschi than they are to being as good as Laine.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

We agree this is a rebuild, the team has been torn all the way down, with exception to Mantha and Kuzenmenko who are 100% gone before the season is over.

Where we disagree is that I think the team should start looking to improve as soon as now knowing that we are going to be a bottom 10 team no matter what.

you think ( from what I can tell, again sorry if I misrepresent our opinion) that we should just take it on the chin and suck/hope we can draft in the top 3 and that that player will be a franchise player.

You are not misrepresenting my opinion. It is exactly what I think we should be doing.

You need a star #1C to win in this league, and the only way we are going to get one is through the draft. Hagens and McKenna look to be franchise players. No guarantee we get them, but our roster is bad enough that we should be in the mix.

Trying to trade picks and prospects to stay out of the bottom of the league, and contend for 10th is the product you get the last few years.

We need stars and you get them in the draft.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

You are not misrepresenting my opinion. It is exactly what I think we should be doing.

You need a star #1C to win in this league, and the only way we are going to get one is through the draft. Hagens and McKenna look to be franchise players. No guarantee we get them, but our roster is bad enough that we should be in the mix.

Trying to trade picks and prospects to stay out of the bottom of the league, and contend for 10th is the product you get the last few years.

We need stars and you get them in the draft.

I just worry that being bad on propose for too long creates a losing culture ( Buffalo and Edmonton)

I think we touch the bottom no matter who we add this season ( unless Wolf turns out to be a god). But adding quality young players helps us pull up sooner rather than later.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I just worry that being bad on propose for too long creates a losing culture ( Buffalo and Edmonton)

I think we touch the bottom no matter who we add this season ( unless Wolf turns out to be a god). But adding quality young players helps us pull up sooner rather than later.

That is why we have those vets on the team like Coleman, Weegar, Kadri, Huberdeau, and Backlund.

They will set the tone of working hard, and trying win. Hopefully we don't win too much to take us out of the lottery, but just enough to show them even through adversity those guys work hard and try to win every game.

These are pros, they don't get to the NHL by trying to lose. I think they will be fine.

I think Conroy has made it clear, we are rebuilding but he still wants them to compete.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I think both players are much lower on the Flames charts then we ranked them. Porier and Stromgren are more likely to be Hamonic, Lazar, Griffin Reinhart, Shinkaurk, Baertschi than they are to being as good as Laine.

They don't have to better than to make them worth keeping at this point. If that was the metric than you may as well trade most prospects for 26 year old NHL players. As long as Poirier and Stromgren keep progressing they will be higher on the depth chart than prospects that were just drafted. Pospisil would have been a toss in for most posters last offseason and now he is probably overvalued lol.


The last Flames rebuild ended up with a 4th overall pick and two 6th overall picks. They rushed it with the Hamonic trade and were worse for it. I'll start gettign worried about being bad for too long if they aren't on the rise in thee years. if The Flames were a little worse they could have ended up with Draisaitl over Bennett.

[GFG#1]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

You are not misrepresenting my opinion. It is exactly what I think we should be doing.

You need a star #1C to win in this league, and the only way we are going to get one is through the draft. Hagens and McKenna look to be franchise players. No guarantee we get them, but our roster is bad enough that we should be in the mix.

Trying to trade picks and prospects to stay out of the bottom of the league, and contend for 10th is the product you get the last few years.

We need stars and you get them in the draft.

Yup we need a number 1 center, we do not need more of logjam on the wing. So unless you are getting something else in the trade to make it worth it to take on 2 years at 9.1 mil there really is no point to bring him in. Most contenders won't be able to take Laine at the deadline with an extra year on his contract.

[Kipper_3434]

Don't need Laine after signing Mantha. Would hurt our development of prospects to add another scoring winger.