I am going to try and take the bus (any bus) on Dec. 10. It's going to be a cluster#### that first day, as people figure out where / where not to hope on. 30,000 people predicted for the opening day. I don't know if that sounds distributed fairly or not, but 30,000 people who are mostly the bus crowd scares me something silly.
So is it safe to assume that getting through the back log of trains in downtown during rush hour is going to take even longer now?
argh... I'm sorry. I can't be partial to this. I hate Calgary Transit.
7th ave should have gone underground before any additional service was added.
Since there are no "new" trains being added to the "downtown rush" then no nothing should take "even longer now"
W line is an extension of the NE line that used to just stop at the end of 8th ave then turn around.
This line is not in addition, but simply an extension. Similar to how the SW and NW lines are not different lines, they are the same line just extending. So there is and have only ever been 2 lines running on 7th Ave.
If the SE line were to be built and they added that then yes that would be in addition but its plan has always been to be routed to the proposed 8th Ave subway.
As a taxpayer this should please you that they are adding "hopefully" paying customers to an already existing infrastructure in order to spread the cost of Transit over more users of transit.
I agree CTransit isnt the best, its by far not the worse public transit operator in North America given the funding allocations from citizens Calgary.
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Great time launch the new services right at exam time for the Uni.
Hope only a couple get confused as to what to do.
I think it would be hard to try and launch a new service at any time that would have zero impact on any given group. Nevermind that you don't launch a new service and say "we think it's going to suck right off the bat."
Also consider that date has been set for a few years now. If the university thought there was an issue they should have said something before.
As for Polak's concerns about 7th ave; I would say that if nothing else this would make the flow better. Now instead of having to stop or slow down to switch tracks at the same place where the Dalhousie train goes north, it will just continue on. Theroretically it should be slightly better.
Great time launch the new services right at exam time for the Uni.
Hope only a couple get confused as to what to do.
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If changing the name on the front of trains that go no where near the university and never went near the university causes people to miss exams, I'm pretty sure the result will be the same whether they make it to the exam or not...
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How do I get on the grand opening train ride from 69 Street Station? With all that I've dealt with the past two-and-a-half years living on top of the line, I'd like to be part of the hype.
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How do I get on the grand opening train ride from 69 Street Station? With all that I've dealt with the past two-and-a-half years living on top of the line, I'd like to be part of the hype.
The first run from 69th will likely be about 5am. The scheds will be out in a few weeks.
Great numbers, and it does put my mind at ease a bit,but consider a few things:
Calgary Transit estimates PRACTICAL single direction capacity per car is actually 162. 162 people x 3 cars per train x 10 trains per hour = 4860 capacity.
A full train (shoulder-to-shoulder) would be = 226 x 3 cars per train x 10 trains per hour = 6780 capacity.
Of course, this is assuming three cars, and that we are using the newer models, which half the trains are not (Older models have a load capacity of 200). Therefore, lets assume, to support your side of the argument, half are old trains, half are new:
200 x 3 x 5 = 3,000
226 x 3 x 5 = 3,390
Which is to say, 6390. Slightly smaller, but still a difference.
As someone above noted, I was comparing apples to apples (well sort of, considering many assumptions which worked against my own argument, 112, 108 routes being replaced mostly with reworked bus routes, handicapping the new train route's headway, etc.). Crush load to crush load. Not sure why you're bringing "practical" numbers into this for only one side. Do you or do you not currently board predominantly crush-loaded buses (which I understand the 101, 104 and 301 buses to currently be during rush hour)?
I concede the older trains with less capacity point. Meant to account for that in my previous numbers.
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Now, that is assuming 3 cars. Of course, 4 cars would increase load capacity, but now they will likely be delayed until at least 2014.
4 car train implementation was never going to happen by the time West LRT opened, nor was it necessary to be (at least not for the purposes of the low West LRT catchment and projected ridership - for the south line, certainly). Not sure if that's what you are implying, but that's how I'm reading what you've said.
It has been delayed though. Probably until 2015 from the original timeline of 2014.
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You also forgot to add the 72 / 73 crowd, which also feeds through the West LRT area, and many regulars will adjust now to take these buses to catch the LRT route downtown. Let's assume half of each bus gets off at Westbrook to go downtown, and that 6 buses run during peak hour:
2 bus routes x 12 buses per hour x 35 passengers : 840 extra passengers.
So, 4,445 + 840 = 5285 passengers per hour.
This number doesn't include the "snow crowd" that take the LRT on cold days because they don't want to drive. So lets bump that up to about 6,000 assuming 700 more fair-weathered transit users.
These two factors are being added to one side of the ledger (post LRT) but they are existing conditions which influence the current bus ridership in the catchment area. I have assumed in my comparison (incorrectly in favour of your side of the argument I will add) that all current buses in the catchment area are running crushloaded (i.e. no more people can fit on). You are then taking those numbers and adding people to them, which is impossible. I don't recall any "snow crowd" people hopping on the roof of a 104 departing the core at 17:30.
This leaves pent up demand as the X factor (those who are currently waiting on either any increased capacity that LRT would bring or people who would take an LRT but not a bus). Growth over time too of course, which you've noted. I would contend that these two factors together will not amount to significant crowding issues between the time of opening and the time of capacity improvements brought by 4 LRV trains and 8th Avenue Subway.
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But I hate crowds, I hate standing shoulder-to-shoulder with people, and I don't exactly see how this is going to improve my commute.
Do you currently stand shoulder-to-shoulder on the buses? If so, would you then agree that my assumption using crushload numbers for both pre and post LRT would result in less crowding post LRT? If you don't currently experience crushloads on buses, would you then agree that it is an even better scenario (from a "crowding" perspective) post LRT?
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Cool numbers, but did you mean Ozy? LOL.
I suppose I did, but it seems not to matter in this case. I think you share pretty much a carbon-copy opinion.
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Tell you what frink, you are an intelligent poster; however, if my commute to work turns out to be just downright more inconvenient when the train opens, I will let you know. Deal? I think that is pretty fair.
Fair indeed. Will you also share the results if it is more convenient or little perceivable change?
On the new maps I see new route but not new bus stops.
Does anyone know if the stops for the #2 will change in the SW? I know the #2 will revert back to it's old route of a few years ago (going to that little bus loop by Sarcee Trail and back). Will the bus stops along 17th Ave by the McDonalds and by Midas remain the same?
Saskatoon has some right of ways set aside...only need about 350000 more people before it becomes viable! Of course that would need at least one more bridge and that can take 100 years in Saskatoon.
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