[Trade] Flames trade Baertschi to VAN for a 2015 2nd round pick (Baertschi requested trade)

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Feaster and Weisbrod have already been fired. Burke and Treliving inherited their problem and now they fixed it.

How much influence didnWeisbroad have on that trade from a Nucks perspective? I get the feeling he probably pushed for the deal pretty hard. Not surprised they made the best offer with him on the management team

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

How much influence didnWeisbroad have on that trade from a Nucks perspective? I get the feeling he probably pushed for the deal pretty hard. Not surprised they made the best offer with him on the management team

It certainly makes sense given that it was by far the best offer. It's good to know we will have somewhere to dump Jankowski should he bust.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by MacFlame

I think this where I disagree. I'm not so sure that they have. At least from the outside, it seemed like the leash was shorter for Sven. Gaudreau has a had rough couple of weeks, but has remained on the top line (as he should!), and I don't think Sven received the same treatment. I also think that when Colborne came in he received the more favourable ice time/line combinations, even though, at least early on, he was making similar mistakes.

Gaudreau had a rough couple of weeks, yes. Sven had a rough couple of years.

You are also completely wrong on Colborne. When he came in, he got the fourth line treatment too.

[wingmaker]

Originally Posted by MacFlame

The trade is not what really bothers me, but more so the way the coaching staff handled him throughout his development in the organization. Sitting him in favour of guys that truly didn't deserve to be played either (Jackman, Glencross at certain points, Raymond at certain points, Setogouchi, etc.) likely stuck with him.

I'm sorry, Glencross should have been sat ahead of Baertschi? In what world? Raymond has only been here for one year and was injured a good part of the first half of the season so it's hard to say Raymond was in his way. Setogouchi was sent down fairly early in the season and played on the right side often. Jackman played on the fourth line.

Baertschi was not a good enough player during his time with the Flames to warrant the ice time some fans think he deserved. Plain and simple. He could blossom in the Canucks system and still have a great career, but he has not so far. People blaming other people, coaches, management, etc is absurd.

[wingmaker]

Originally Posted by MacFlame

I think this where I disagree. I'm not so sure that they have. At least from the outside, it seemed like the leash was shorter for Sven. Gaudreau has a had rough couple of weeks, but has remained on the top line (as he should!), and I don't think Sven received the same treatment. I also think that when Colborne came in he received the more favourable ice time/line combinations, even though, at least early on, he was making similar mistakes.

Um. Baertschi was gifted a spot on the roster under Feaster for an extended period and he did absolutely nothing with it. Colborne started on the fourth line and progressed his way up the line-up. If anything, Baertschi was given MORE ice time at the NHL level than he deserved. To me, this is the only beef people could have with management: if he had stayed in the AHL to begin with and developed properly, would it have turned out differently? We will never know, but to suggest that he was not given a shot at the NHL level is revisionist history. People expected him to just play on the top line for no reason other than that he had "talent".

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

How much influence didnWeisbroad have on that trade from a Nucks perspective?

As has already been pointed out, Travis Green's input was probably more valuable.

[SuperMatt18]

In terms of Baertschi's top linemates:

2014/2015: Byron-Bollig-Russell-Wideman
2013/2014: Monahan-Hudler-Russell-Butler
2012/2013: TJ Brodie- Wideman- Cammalleri- Backlund

Sure this year he was dropped more to bottom 6 duty (and that was probably more from an evaluation perspective to see if he could play in that role) but in his stints with the team the last 2 seasons he was frequently put with top 6 talent in a position to succeed.

He had a short leash with Hartley, and maybe didn't get top PP time, but he was given good linemates 5 v 5.

[Cflames_12.5]

Does Sven get the Tom treatment now. Will he get booed if he ever comes here to play as the enemy in the NHL? Demands trade then get traded to public enemy #1.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Slightly different situation than with Erixon, I'd say.

[c.t.ner]

Originally Posted by Cflames_12.5

Does Sven get the Tom treatment now. Will he get booed if he ever comes here to play as the enemy in the NHL? Demands trade then get traded to public enemy #1.

I doubt it. Erixon was universally hated by ALL Flames fans, as what he pulled was far worse than what Sven did. Sven I doubt is hated by many of his retractors. Most fans are probably just disappointed in what happened rather than angry at Sven.

[questionmotives]

Tough to really crack on a 22-year-olds character, but something about his attitude never sat well with me (and apparently management as well). Sven was granted several opportunities with the big club, but each time he was sent back down his attitude took a hit.

I wonder how much different this conversation would be if he didn't light it up in his first call up a few years back. That spark he showed in those couple of games lit a huge flame under the collective fanbase, who have now been scorched. Heyo.

[Henry Fool]

In my view Bärtschi was given more chances than he deserved based on his play. You clearly saw that the organisation wanted their first round pick to succeed but he never impressed. Little progress and a clear sense of entitlement. In the end, as someone who only watches the Calgary Flames, I never even saw much of the talent he supposedly possesses.

Seemed like a good pick at the time. Didn't do well enough. Asked for a trade, was traded. No regrets.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I mean, Baertschi asked for a trade, but the situation here had become untenable so you can't really blame him TOO much for wanting to try somewhere else.

Also, the reaction to the Erixon thing was almost 100% anger and "good riddance", the reaction to this is at least mixed with surprise and people wishing they hadn't traded him.

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I mean, Baertschi asked for a trade, but the situation here had become untenable so you can't really blame him TOO much for wanting to try somewhere else.

Also, the reaction to the Erixon thing was almost 100% anger and "good riddance", the reaction to this is at least mixed with surprise and people wishing they hadn't traded him.

His situation was "untenable" because he couldn't compete. The solution to that for every other prospect is to play better.

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally Posted by Cflames_12.5

Does Sven get the Tom treatment now. Will he get booed if he ever comes here to play as the enemy in the NHL? Demands trade then get traded to public enemy #1.

Not from me.

Tom yanked the flames chain and tried to manipulate the situation.

Sounds like Sven was just honest, and didn't quit on the team. I don't have to agree with his perspective to respect that. Good luck to him.

[sureLoss]

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Green says b careful b4 writing off Baertschi :"He needs to play in top 6, not bottom guy, gonna take time to re-develop his confidence."

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I mean, Baertschi asked for a trade, but the situation here had become untenable so you can't really blame him TOO much for wanting to try somewhere else.

Also, the reaction to the Erixon thing was almost 100% anger and "good riddance", the reaction to this is at least mixed with surprise and people wishing they hadn't traded him.

Yeah I disagree to an extent. I don't necessarily blame him for requesting a trade, but he felt entitled which will never work in the post-Jarmoe era.


The situation wasn't untenable. Look at Jooris. Against all odds he busted his ass, and most would agree Jooris has less raw talent than Sven, yet Jooris is a regular. Sven just couldn't/wouldn't buy into the mantra of the team. I'd bet any money that if Sven worked as hard as Jooris, (Or Bouma, or Colborne, etc) he would be a regular on the big club.

Since Sven's camp decided they don't want to be in the org anymore, a 2nd rounder for a non-NHLer is actually a heck of a deal.

[fastpuck]

I mostly just feel disappointed, not in the Flames, but that Sven never took that extra step needed. I think he was expected to modify his game to be more effective, and not sure that he wanted to do that and keep his offensive touch. I look at the changes Monahan has made and I go WOW. Now I have a picture of Baertschi and my husband and a signed military appreciation night cap, but I had hoped for much more.

[CroFlames]

Oh, and I wouldn't boo Sven.

Booing is 9 times out of 10 classless, and the 1 out of 10 times it is acceptable should be reserved for real scumbags which Sven is not.

[Galakanokis]

I strike this up as one of those business of hockey things. It clearly wasn't working here for either side so they both moved on. It happens every year.

With Sven, I just see him as average. Average skater, average shot, average passing and hockey sense. He doesn't have the size and compete level to make up for that. You put Jooris' determination in Sven and you probably have a hell of a hockey player.

With the comparison to Gaudreau's poor play of late you still see Johnny bust his ass after making a mistake. He backchecks hard and tries to get the puck back. Same for others. I never saw that out of Sven. You usually got slumped shoulders and head down.