What bothers me most about this is how much misinformation is out there. How many of you knew the air pressure requirements for a football before this came out? I'm going to guess less than two people here did. Between that, and how many people here (and twitter, facebook, general population, etc.) are talking about it like they are experts, yet they don't even know the procedures for how a ball enters the game. There are multiple people here (and elsewhere) who thought both teams use the same ball (both teams submit their own balls), balls are random (they aren't), that Jackson said he knew the ball was light (he has said multiple times he had no idea and only found out later), that 11 of 12 balls were under inflated (that's still from the initial story, but the NFL hasn't said if that was true or not, and if true how under they were).
You have people saying Brady obviously knew because Troy Aikman and Crying Mark Brunell said they would know, but those people dismiss Joe Theismann and Dan Marino who said they couldn't tell the difference between a 12.5 and a 11.5 inflated ball, never mind during the middle of a game. There is no proof that they did anything, but more than half the people have already convicted them. Since the NFL has an investigation going into it, maybe let that play out and see what it shows before crapping on Brady and Belichick. It reminds me about the Allen Iverson practice interview, but really we're talking about balls. Not a game, but ball pressure. This is one of the most ridiculous "scandals" I've ever heard of. Seriously. Anyone who equates it to the Saints' bounties doesn't get the difference between trying to break someone's knee and the air pressure of a football. That's a shame. Jerry Rice has called out the Patriots yet he has stayed quiet on when his 49ers cheated on the salary cap while he was on the team. I wonder if he's still bitter about the Snow Bowl game.
You can bring this back to Spygate all you want. The unfortunate thing about that is taping was fine, but the location they were taping was not. To me it's like going 100 in an 60 zone. You can drive that fast, but just not in that zone. We all know how many drivers here speed and don't think it's a big deal. There was proof he broke the rules, and he was punished. The difference here is there hasn't been any definitive proof that has come out that people can show Brady and/or Belichick cheated. Just because you think something is true, doesn't mean it is.
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What bothers me most about this is how much misinformation is out there. How many of you knew the air pressure requirements for a football before this came out? I'm going to guess less than two people here did. Between that, and how many people here (and twitter, facebook, general population, etc.) are talking about it like they are experts, yet they don't even know the procedures for how a ball enters the game. There are multiple people here (and elsewhere) who thought both teams use the same ball (both teams submit their own balls), balls are random (they aren't), that Jackson said he knew the ball was light (he has said multiple times he had no idea and only found out later), that 11 of 12 balls were under inflated (that's still from the initial story, but the NFL hasn't said if that was true or not, and if true how under they were).
You have people saying Brady obviously knew because Troy Aikman and Crying Mark Brunell said they would know, but those people dismiss Joe Theismann and Dan Marino who said they couldn't tell the difference between a 12.5 and a 11.5 inflated ball, never mind during the middle of a game. There is no proof that they did anything, but more than half the people have already convicted them. Since the NFL has an investigation going into it, maybe let that play out and see what it shows before crapping on Brady and Belichick. It reminds me about the Allen Iverson practice interview, but really we're talking about balls. Not a game, but ball pressure. This is one of the most ridiculous "scandals" I've ever heard of. Seriously. Anyone who equates it to the Saints' bounties doesn't get the difference between trying to break someone's knee and the air pressure of a football. That's a shame. Jerry Rice has called out the Patriots yet he has stayed quiet on when his 49ers cheated on the salary cap while he was on the team. I wonder if he's still bitter about the Snow Bowl game.
You can bring this back to Spygate all you want. The unfortunate thing about that is taping was fine, but the location they were taping was not. To me it's like going 100 in an 60 zone. You can drive that fast, but just not in that zone. We all know how many drivers here speed and don't think it's a big deal. There was proof he broke the rules, and he was punished. The difference here is there hasn't been any definitive proof that has come out that people can show Brady and/or Belichick cheated. Just because you think something is true, doesn't mean it is.
I think a lot of people just dislike the Patriots. Listening to the Tom Brady press conference yesterday, I was really suprised by a lot of the questioning. One would have thought he was guilty of murder.
I think a lot of people just dislike the Patriots. Listening to the Tom Brady press conference yesterday, I was really suprised by a lot of the questioning. One would have thought he was guilty of murder.
When you've been as good as they have for as long as they have, you've crushed the dreams of a lot of teams in big games and they're bitter for it.
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I heard last night from a very very in touch NFL person that Jim Irsay was the central figure surrounding the start of deflategate.
I don't see this as a distraction for the Pats (enough to throw them off), or as some sort of "everyone's against us" motivation either. Belichek is too good for that and this issue, while looking like a violation of the rules, is not something that casts any doubt on how good the Pats.
What it is, is a story line that is tailor made for the football and mainstream media in a slow week. Next week will be all about the media day and the 3 sessions for all players and more football inflated questions, and the focus will shift to Lynch and his talking/lack of talking/fines....in addition to whatever storylines are created out of noncliched, but innocent comments and tried to be spun into something they aren't....and reporters trying to poke their head about other reporters and make some stupid comments, questions or write articles based on some wild assumptions or theories.
There are many crazy theories on this situation, and here is an interesting one- If footballs were warmed up and filled with air in a very hot room, such as a sauna, wouldn't you initially get a high PSI reading if they were tested right away? Once they are back in colder temperatures, the pressure would slowly go down to the point where Brady likes by game time (11 PSI or so), but would still pass the ref's initial inspection 2.5 hrs before the game?
Maybe getting a little carried away here with crazy ideas, but the consensus seems to be that it would be near impossible to tamper with the footballs after submitting them to the ref. This would be a clever way of deflating the balls in a way that could arguably not be called tampering after the inspection?
I was hoping for the Colts/Packers to win. I didn't want to see both the Seahawks/Patriots in the SB.
I didn't think the Colts had a chance, but Packers/Patriots would've been a lot of fun. Hawks/Pats does nothing for me. Between that and the endless Deflategate controversy, I can't remember the last time I had so little interest for a Super Bowl.
There are many crazy theories on this situation, and here is an interesting one- If footballs were warmed up and filled with air in a very hot room, such as a sauna, wouldn't you initially get a high PSI reading if they were tested right away? Once they are back in colder temperatures, the pressure would slowly go down to the point where Brady likes by game time (11 PSI or so), but would still pass the ref's initial inspection 2.5 hrs before the game?
Maybe getting a little carried away here with crazy ideas, but the consensus seems to be that it would be near impossible to tamper with the footballs after submitting them to the ref. This would be a clever way of deflating the balls in a way that could arguably not be called tampering after the inspection?
That is pretty clever. The league could easily catch this by simply doing another pressure test before kickoff though.
What if the 11 of 12 footballs were all inflated to the minimum 12.5 PSI at room temperature and simply just fell under due to it being a cold outdoor game? Losing air pressure doesn't necessarily mean the ball was actually deflated, the loss could have come from the air inside the ball cooling down. The rules don't specifiy under what condition the air pressure must be maintained at. Is it room temperature? The outdoor temperature at game time? During most of the regular season there isn't a significant difference, but there sure would be during a cold game in the winter months.
I'm also unclear on whether or not all footballs inspected for air pressure post game, or if they were only investigated due to a complaint. Is there a history of cold weather games resulting in what appear to be under-inflated footballs?
This all creates a lot of doubt as to whether there was any deliberate tampering going on or if this "deflation" occurred naturally.
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Belichick giving a presser right now explaining exactly how they prepare their footballs on gameday. They have run simulations using their exact procedure and have found about a 1.5PSI difference between when the footballs are prepared in the locker room and what they test at several hours later in outdoor conditions. Very in depth.
He is hitting a homerun as far as Im concerned.
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Belichick giving a presser right now explaining exactly how they prepare their footballs on gameday. They have run simulations using their exact procedure and have found about a 1.5PSI difference between when the footballs are prepared in the locker room and what they test at several hours later in outdoor conditions. Very in depth.
He is hitting a homerun as far as Im concerned.
Wouldn't say "hitting a homerun", for whatever that's worth anyways. How does that explain the Colts not dropping?
After Belichek a few days ago saying he had no idea how footballs are handled, and that to "Ask Tom", he's sure stepped up his knowledge.
Today's hastily arranged presser (including the "My Cousin Vinny" reference) makes it pretty clear he's going to take over this circus as the lightning rod, which diverts the media distraction away from Brady and others, and put it onto himself, as we approach a week to go before the game, with the crush of media day when they get to Phoenix tomorrow.
Wouldn't say "hitting a homerun", for whatever that's worth anyways. How does that explain the Colts not dropping?
After Belichek a few days ago saying he had no idea how footballs are handled, and that to "Ask Tom", he's sure stepped up his knowledge.
Today's hastily arranged presser (including the "My Cousin Vinny" reference) makes it pretty clear he's going to take over this circus as the lightning rod, which diverts the media distraction away from Brady and others, and put it onto himself, as we approach a week to go before the game, with the crush of media day when they get to Phoenix tomorrow.
How is Belichick supposed to comment on what happens with the Colts footballs? He stated that they ran a test copying what they do on game day and found that the PSI on their footballs went down 1.5PSI after several hours. He made it clear that this happened using their techniques and footballs and can't comment on what other teams do and what may happen to their footballs over time.
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He seems reliable, not a verified account and is a writer for "NEPatriotsDraft". A lot of Boston media is trying to pass this off as sour grapes even though reliable insiders (Glazer) have said the NFL was going to look into the ball situation anyways.
Belichick giving a presser right now explaining exactly how they prepare their footballs on gameday. They have run simulations using their exact procedure and have found about a 1.5PSI difference between when the footballs are prepared in the locker room and what they test at several hours later in outdoor conditions. Very in depth.
He is hitting a homerun as far as Im concerned.
Anyone notice the gillette ad is for the "Flexball".
There is surveillance video showing the attendant taking the footballs from the official's locker room into another room at Gillette Stadium before bringing them out to the field, sources tell FOX Sports
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Everyone knew a random ball boy would take the fall for this. I'm sure he'll be well compensated for his dismissal. And I'm sure he went rogue and did it all by himself too.
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