[News] Sportsnet signs 12 year $5.2 billion for NHL CDN Broadcast rights.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by getbak

The Ice Surfing show is supposedly going to be like the NFL Red Zone. I'm not sure how it's going to work.

If you ever watch Court surfing or saw the old Diamond surfing on the Score/SN360, that is what I expect. Watching five or ten minute blocks of various other games.

[TurnedTheCorner]

Didn't NHL on the Fly used to be like that? Just jump around from game to game? It's been a few years since I bothered with NHL Network.

[Tailgator]

Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner

Didn't NHL on the Fly used to be like that? Just jump around from game to game? It's been a few years since I bothered with NHL Network.

I think you're right. Been awhile for me too. I really like the in depth highlights they used to do (or maybe still do). I'd love to see another channel like that.

[Reign of Fire]

So is everyone on the TSN hockey panel looking for new jobs in 2014?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Reign of Fire

So is everyone on the TSN hockey panel looking for new jobs in 2014?

I would imagine a couple of them will be incorporated into existing tsn hockey shows, while others will be picked up by Rogers.

[GirlySports]

I think they still have long contracts since this was totally unexpected for TSN. Plus they have other hockey.

For CBC there have been a few rumblings that CBC may lose the national contract so those contracts for the tv personalities may be up.

[postman56]

With Rogers paying 6.2 Billion for this, expecting to return a profit promptly off the revenue,everyone can expect cheaper programming,cost saving production and as we've already seen the cheapest talent they can get away with.!!

[TurnedTheCorner]

Originally Posted by postman56

With Rogers paying 6.2 Billion for this, expecting to return a profit promptly off the revenue,everyone can expect cheaper programming,cost saving production and as we've already seen the cheapest talent they can get away with.!!

The correct amount is in the title of the thread you're replying in.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

I'm not so sure about that. NHL.com was pretty adamant about this:

The question is what does the word further mean? If it was truly wide open, wouldn't it just say "there will be no regionalization..."?

[TurnedTheCorner]

It's best to not think of a broadcast as being restricted, but instead consider whether the broadcast is part of the national deal or part of a regional deal for a specific team. The national agreement struck this week is separate from standing regional agreements with specific clubs.

When the schedule is made next year, games on the specific nights will be national broadcasts as part of this deal. As such, they will not be shown only in specific regions. This will differ from cases in the past where CBC might show one game in Ontario, and another in the rest of the country (for example). That practice of regionalization will cease. There will be no further regionalization in national broadcasts, as SN will have the ability to show all games on channels that are available to national viewers and leave the decision on what game to watch dependent on the viewer, instead of being dependent on the region the viewer happens to be located in.

If a game is being broadcast on one of the other nights, it is not part of the national deal. Therefore it is part of the regional broadcast deal between SN and a specific club. Since under the regional deal SN has only paid for and acquired the rights to broadcast the specific club's game in a specific region, that broadcast will only be available in the specific region. It's not that it's "restricted" in other areas, so much as it was never available to be broadcast in those other areas in the first place because the rights were never paid for.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

so it's almost 1:00am here... am I reading this properly?

Are you saying that I won't have any Flames games blocked out next year?

SN has the regional broadcast rights, so when the game is on SN-W it's blacked out and I don't get it.

Next year, if the game is on SN-W, I'll get to see it, even if it's on a Tuesday or Thursday?

I would have assumed no, but if the NHL.com statement is true it appears not.

Which raises an interesting point, that means the Flames (and other Canadian teams with SportsNet) will now be getting national audiences. This would mean more advertising dollars for SportsNet (at least a bigger potential audience). All while paying regional fees to the league/teams. That doesn't seem fair, would that be a fundamental change to the contract? I wonder if the regional rights contracts with the teams (teams or league?) allows the network to show them nationally if the league agrees? Ok my eyes are closing, hopefully this gibberish is close to English.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

I think they still have long contracts since this was totally unexpected for TSN. Plus they have other hockey.

For CBC there have been a few rumblings that CBC may lose the national contract so those contracts for the tv personalities may be up.

I doubt that TSN or CBC would stand in the way of anyone going to Rogers if they wanted to move. It would probably be like when ABC released Al Michaels from his contract to go to NBC and call Sunday Night Football. All Disney asked for in compensation was the rights to the old Oswald the Lucky Rabbit cartoons that Walt Disney made under contract to Universal before he started his own company.

My guess is that Rogers will bring in Gord Miller and Jim Hughson as their A1/A2 PBP guys, and Cuthbert will stay at TSN to call the CFL and World Juniors, and whatever other big properties TSN can grab.

[TurnedTheCorner]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

so it's almost 1:00am here... am I reading this properly?

Are you saying that I won't have any Flames games blocked out next year?

No, you are not reading this properly.

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

SN has the regional broadcast rights, so when the game is on SN-W it's blacked out and I don't get it.

Next year, if the game is on SN-W, I'll get to see it, even if it's on a Tuesday or Thursday?

No, that's incorrect.

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

I would have assumed no, but if the NHL.com statement is true it appears not.

Your initial assumption is correct. The NHL.com statement and article is in regards to national broadcasts, not existing regional broadcasts. Read it again.

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

Which raises an interesting point, that means the Flames (and other Canadian teams with SportsNet) will now be getting national audiences. This would mean more advertising dollars for SportsNet (at least a bigger potential audience). All while paying regional fees to the league/teams. That doesn't seem fair, would that be a fundamental change to the contract?

It would be, but this is not what is happening. This new deal is for national broadcasts. It does not replace existing regional broadcast agreements.

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

I wonder if the regional rights contracts with the teams (teams or league?) allows the network to show them nationally if the league agrees? Ok my eyes are closing, hopefully this gibberish is close to English.

In the press conference Q&A, or perhaps in a follow-up press Q&A (it might have been on Primetime Sports), Bettman noted that in the existing national broadcast agreement with TSN that is expiring, TSN could take up to 10 regional games per year (as part of it's regional agreements with Toronto or Winnipeg) and broadcast them nationally instead. The new deal with Rogers has a similar option. I don't think he specified how many games could be treated this way, but it will be some small subset of games that would otherwise only be able to be broadcast regionally.

Get some rest and read through this in the morning, I think it will make sense then.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

so it's almost 1:00am here... am I reading this properly?

Are you saying that I won't have any Flames games blocked out next year?

SN has the regional broadcast rights, so when the game is on SN-W it's blacked out and I don't get it.

Next year, if the game is on SN-W, I'll get to see it, even if it's on a Tuesday or Thursday?

I would have assumed no, but if the NHL.com statement is true it appears not.

Which raises an interesting point, that means the Flames (and other Canadian teams with SportsNet) will now be getting national audiences. This would mean more advertising dollars for SportsNet (at least a bigger potential audience). All while paying regional fees to the league/teams. That doesn't seem fair, would that be a fundamental change to the contract? I wonder if the regional rights contracts with the teams (teams or league?) allows the network to show them nationally if the league agrees? Ok my eyes are closing, hopefully this gibberish is close to English.

From what I understand no blackouts will exist on wednesdays,saturdays and sundays, the other four days will be blocked unless you subscibe to a sort of "mini" canadian only center ice type package expected to run about $5-6 bucks a month.

[TurnedTheCorner]

Originally Posted by T@T

From what I understand no blackouts will exist on wednesdays,saturdays and sundays, the other four days will be blocked unless you subscibe to a sort of "mini" canadian only center ice type package expected to run about $5-6 bucks a month.

That's essentially it. The other four days are regional broadcasts. They could be watched on Centre Ice, NHL Game Center, or on the reported Rogers offering for watching its out of market regional Canadian team broadcasts that you mention.

[mikeecho]

Originally Posted by Reign of Fire

So is everyone on the TSN hockey panel looking for new jobs in 2014?

Oddly enough, I think this may be more of a hurt for a good number of existing Rogers employees than for TSN employees.

TSN has been the hockey leader and has long attracted the better talent. With that talent likely now available, I think RSN will have to look at on air options that may not have been available previously.

Frankly, I'd take 90% of the TSN guys over their RSN comparable.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

The question is what does the word further mean? If it was truly wide open, wouldn't it just say "there will be no regionalization..."?

Not as long as TSN has rights to the Jets and soon the Leafs. Though I'm sure they would love to end regionalization entirely as well.

It will be interesting to see how this shakes out. Rogers doesn't want to cannibalize Centre Ice now that they control that as well, but they will want you buying as much of their programming directly as they can get. I'm thinking in terms of that "centre ice lite" package that was speculated on before. In my mind, I think that will come down to "buy all of our regional channels at inflated monthly prices".

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner

No, you are not reading this properly.


No, that's incorrect.


Your initial assumption is correct. The NHL.com statement and article is in regards to national broadcasts, not existing regional broadcasts. Read it again.


It would be, but this is not what is happening. This new deal is for national broadcasts. It does not replace existing regional broadcast agreements.


In the press conference Q&A, or perhaps in a follow-up press Q&A (it might have been on Primetime Sports), Bettman noted that in the existing national broadcast agreement with TSN that is expiring, TSN could take up to 10 regional games per year (as part of it's regional agreements with Toronto or Winnipeg) and broadcast them nationally instead. The new deal with Rogers has a similar option. I don't think he specified how many games could be treated this way, but it will be some small subset of games that would otherwise only be able to be broadcast regionally.

Get some rest and read through this in the morning, I think it will make sense then.

That's why I asked, perhaps it was my tiredness with a combination of desire to see more Flames games without an additional expense that had me misreading the post.

I couldn't imagine ending regionalization out of the blue like that.

[HOWITZER]

After watching the opening to the Leafs/Habs game on HNIC, I just have no idea how RSN could ever top the magic of HNIC on CBC. I'll be bold here, but I really don't care which team it is, but I want to see the cup won by a Canadian team this year. Would be great to see it all for the last time on CBC.

[albertGQ]

^^^

No thanks. I'd rather the Panthers or the Jackets win the Cup over the Oilers or Canucks