[News] Flames offersheet O'Reilly UPDATE: Avs match

[Ashasx]

There is a reason why most people think the Avs will match. The professionals know it's a good contract.

[genetic_phreek]

Does O'Reilly get #37 from Irving? If not, what number will his jersey be?

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by opendoor

A hypothetical where he's not qualified can essentially be dismissed out of hand. It's not going to happen.

It's pretty obvious that the money he's owed for his 2014 qualifying offer will influence his asking price because of the leverage it gives him. I don't know why you can't wrap your head around that. It's exactly why Feaster structured the contract as he did and why Colorado will think long and hard about whether to match or not.

Exactly

(so stop posting! /Ashawx)

[Dion]

As a result, we know that the Avalanche don't want to pay this price. Furthermore, the big second year of the deal means O'Reilly's qualifying offer at the end of this contract will be $6.5 million. If Colorado wasn't comfortable with $5 million, then $6.5 million is going to make them squirm.

But now they might have no choice. Can they really afford to lose O'Reilly for draft picks after all this?

Avalanche GM Greg Sherman has lost a lot of face here, but he might have to match the offer just to save what little is left. How annoyed do you think he is right about now? The Flames and Avalanche play Thursday night. If only the two GMs were forced to sit together.

If the Flames can indeed pry O'Reilly out of Colorado, this will be a big win for the club as it currently stands. It's a massive boost to their core. They're one of the league's thinnest teams at centre. O'Reilly immediately becomes their number one guy, and gives Jarome Iginla a bona fide running mate.

It might not be the best course of action for a team in need of a rebuild to give a first-round pick and a third-round pick, but you never know how a prospect will turn out. O'Reilly is young, and potentially, a piece that can be built around.

Finally, it's a big win for hockey fans. This situation became absurd some time ago. Clubs knew what O'Reilly wanted, and they knew the number that would make the Avalanche uncomfortable. Why did it take so long for this to happen? It only made sense, and the longer O'Reilly went without being offer-sheeted, the more ridiculous it seemed.

The real losers here, apart from the Avalanche? Conspiracy theorists. This should serve to quiet the allegations of collusion among NHL General Managers. As much as we've lamented the death of the offer sheet, this is the sixth one since 2007.

Stay tuned. For the first time in years, the Northwest Division just got interesting.

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[TurnedTheCorner]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

There is a reason why most people think the Avs will match. The professionals know it's a good contract.

Good contracts do not come from RFA offer sheets.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

so it's a great deal because our GM is so bad at drafting players that the picks would be likely useless anyways. awesome

What's the difference in the past near 20 seasons?

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

I also like how Matt Stajan also came into the league with seasons of 27 pts, 27 pts and then a career high of 55 points (although it was in his 5th year) just like O'Reilly.

ROR is 22 years old and has put up a 55 point season while being Selke-esque defensively.

Matt Stajan is Matt Stajan.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Apparently you guys don't know what a qualifying offer is.

ROR is not guaranteed $6.5M by anyone. If the Flames are unable to sign him and don't qualify him, he comes a UFA, where he is not guaranteed a single thing.

I'm trying to look at this from ROR's point of view. If he demands $6.5M and the Flames don't qualify him, how highly do you think other teams will think of him? He's not going to get $6.5M as a UFA either, so what benefit is ROR gaining from doing this to the Flames?

Is he twirling his mustache in malevolent anticipation?

Multiple bids rather then just 1 team offering

Sometimes it surprises me the simple things you don't seem to understand

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Apparently you guys don't know what a qualifying offer is.

ROR is not guaranteed $6.5M by anyone. If the Flames are unable to sign him and don't qualify him, he comes a UFA, where he is not guaranteed a single thing.

I'm trying to look at this from ROR's point of view. If he demands $6.5M and the Flames don't qualify him, how highly do you think other teams will think of him? He's not going to get $6.5M as a UFA either, so what benefit is ROR gaining from doing this to the Flames?

Is he twirling his mustache in malevolent anticipation?

Getting a chance to sign with a better team? A lot depends on whether O'Reilly really believes that the Flames are a good place for him or he's simply looking for a way out of Colorado. I see no reason to assume that he'll suddenly develop any special sense of loyalty to the Flames and he holds the ticket out if he wants to become UFA.

And either way, isn't he going to be UFA at 25 anyway?

[direwolf]

Crossing my fingers that the Avs don't match. Would absolutely LOVE to finally see a top center on this team.

[doctajones428]

Sweet mother of God!

This week is going to be tense

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

There is a reason why most people think the Avs will match. The professionals know it's a good contract.

There are very few matched offers sheets that I'd characterize as being good contracts.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Multiple bids rather then just 1 team offering

Sometimes it surprises me the simple things you don't seem to understand

So, if ROR ends up truly being worth $6.5M as a UFA, I suspect the Flames will be the one to give him that offer.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by opendoor

There are very few matched offers sheets that I'd characterize as being good contracts.

yeah kind of an odd statement...

[Spinach]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

Here you go

As you can see, it's a disgustingly talented list that any Flames fan would kill to see a Calgary player on. 25 players since 2000 have done it.

Interesting.

I did this search for players aged 21-22 who scored 40-60 pts. It's quite a list. Especially noteworthy is that a certain Flames icon registered 51 pts in his third year. Just saying.

The caveat is that there are also scrubs who played well when in their early 20's, only to subsequently decline. Eg. Jason Dawe, Nikolai Zherdev, Pat Falloon, Jeff Friesen, W. Wolski, Curtis Brown, N. Sundstrom, Dion Phaneuf

These lists don't really prove anything one way or the other, but they are kind of cool.

[the-rasta-masta]

I'm sure the Avalanche will make their decision quickly, but their announcement time will depend. If the Avs decide to match, they announce it tomorrow morning so they can get him into their lineup quicker. If they aren't going to, they wait until next Thursday so he can't join the Flames for a week.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by opendoor

There are very few matched offers sheets that I'd characterize as being good contracts.

It might not be great, but if it was truly as terrible as some amateurs on this site seem to think, don't you think the Avs would jump at this opportunity to get a 1st round pick in a deep draft while dumping a player that doesn't want to play on that team anymore?

It's not a terrible contract.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner

Good contracts do not come from RFA offer sheets.

Fortunately, it's only a bad contract for 18 months.

Edit: and even then, I wouldn't call it a bad contract, I would call it a necessary price to acquire a #1c. And realistically, if an actual number one centre cost Lombardi, Prust and a First, then everyone would have one.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

How does it make ANY sense that a 23 year old with a career high 18 goals should be paid 6.5 million dollars in a sport with a salary cap? Never mind the fact that Feaster is throwing out his 1st and 3rd round picks this year in a deep draft where we could be drafting high.

Not only that, but GM's don't like other GM's firing offer sheets at them poaching their players. You can bet Feaster and the Flames will suffer in the future because of this.

I also like how Matt Stajan also came into the league with seasons of 27 pts, 27 pts and then a career high of 55 points (although it was in his 5th year) just like O'Reilly.

People do understand when you sign a guy for 6.5 million that you have less money to spend on the rest of the team right? People are acting like the 6.5 is a fine price tag for a player with O'Reilly's status.

I guess time will tell what kind of player Ryan O'Reilly really is, but I have no doubt in my mind that the Avs aren't going to match, they'll take our draft picks and run, washing their hands of this whole O'Reilly mess.

Why do you care that he gets $6.5 million? The only # you should be concerned about as a fan is the cap hit. The cap hit is $5 million.

[CedarMeter]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

so it's a great deal because our GM is so bad at drafting players that the picks would be likely useless anyways. awesome

Tencer is a goof..He acts like the Oil are so much better at drafting because they drafted the obvious choices, any monkey could have done that..Last time I checked Fester has a cup as GM, or was he assistant GM?