First nations will blockade roads as part of 'Idle No More' protest

[evman150]

Originally Posted by icecube

I'm not on the side denying that there is such a thing as white privilge. That's good enough for me to know I'm not delusional.

Everybody knows white men have it the best in life due to a number of historical reasons. I don't see anybody denying that.

I fail to see what that has to do with the utter idiocy of the INM "movement".

[Brannigans Law]

I find myself having a really tough time hiding how racist I am towads natives. I know it's wrong, and I know that from their perspective there's a lot of reasons why things are so bad on the reservations and amongst natives. But when I think about my family crossing the atlantic ocean in 3rd class, being mocked by the locals for their eastern european accents, and how hard they worked to build a life.. I find myself with just zero sympathy for natives. The phrase "free loaders" comes to mind. I'm genuinely sorry if I offended anyone with this but it's the honest feelings I have and I don't care to dress it up.

I guess I should probably make some sort of a point here.. and that is that the average white Canadian won't be able to sympathize with these movements. They see a reserve system that has failed Canadians and Native Canadians equally. It's a waste of money and it's killing generations of natives. Time to end the treaties and the native act, and bring these people into the rest of civilization.

[chemgear]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/...er-strike.html

The "hunger strike" is over. Now it time to address the audit results.

Unless there is going to be an accounting audit of how much weight was actually lost.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by icecube

I pointed out a racist post and explained why it was racist and all I got was a bunch of people denying it. I'm not ashamed to be piled on by a bunch of right wingers who have a more relaxed definition of racism than I do. By the consensus opinion of racism around these parts, it seems racism no longer exists in the world unless you outright call someone a racial slur.

Originally Posted by icecube

I'm not on the side denying that there is such a thing as white privilge. That's good enough for me to know I'm not delusional.

Just curious, is it all right wingers or just the white ones?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by chemgear

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/...er-strike.html

The "hunger strike" is over. Now it time to address the audit results.

Unless there is going to be an accounting audit of how much weight was actually lost.

I find it laughable that the libs and ndp were essentially conned into signing a demand document, and threw in with one of the greatest con woman in Canadian history. Considering that Harper has been fairly native friendly through his term as pm makes mulcair and Rae look slightly stupid.

[1stLand]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I find it laughable that the libs and ndp were essentially conned into signing a demand document, and threw in with one of the greatest con woman in Canadian history. Considering that Harper has been fairly native friendly through his term as pm makes mulcair and Rae look slightly stupid.

This.

The NDP and Liberals fall down a few pegs on the respectability chart in my opinion.

Not that they had any to begin with.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by icecube

I pointed out a racist post and explained why it was racist and all I got was a bunch of people denying it. I'm not ashamed to be piled on by a bunch of right wingers who have a more relaxed definition of racism than I do. By the consensus opinion of racism around these parts, it seems racism no longer exists in the world unless you outright call someone a racial slur.

Which post was that? A absolutely hilarious that you're calling people right wingers. I guarantee you I'm far left of you on almost every social issue, which is why it pisses me off when people play the race card so flippantly, it does a disservice to actual instances of racism.

Natives face plenty of racism, much of it institutionalized, but the vast majority of people here have no issues with the people protesting or even the message behind the protests, they have an issue with the choice to unduly disrupt the lives of regular people. That is not racist. For you to have come in here and thrown that around so indiscriminately is pathetic.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I find it laughable that the libs and ndp were essentially conned into signing a demand document, and threw in with one of the greatest con woman in Canadian history. Considering that Harper has been fairly native friendly through his term as pm makes mulcair and Rae look slightly stupid.

One couldn't, even if they set out on purpose to, write comedy this good. The Libs, the NDP, and Theresa Spence should hit the comedy circuit together. Lets take this show on the road...

[Minnie]

You know what would be kind of amusing, is if several groups of people showed up at all the proposed starting points of the march on Monday and protested back and blocked their routes into downtown, keeping them from snarling up the core...

[mykalberta]

I would like to know what the following points mean

A - "A commitment towards resource revenue sharing, requiring the participation of provinces and territories." I dont know about other provinces, but in Alberta FN are compensated at least in some form from resource revenue on their land.

B - "The removal of funding caps and the indexing of payments made to First Nations." I have no idea what this is referring to.

C - "An inquiry into violence against indigenous women." Where is this taking place? Are they more likely off reserve to be subjected to violence than non-indigenous women?

[wpgflamesfan]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

"A commitment towards resource revenue sharing, requiring the participation of provinces and territories." I dont know about other provinces, but in Alberta FN are compensated at least in some form from resource revenue on their land.

I interpreted this one as provinces sharing resource revenue with each other and not really anything to do with FN specifically. If that's the case, good luck with that Chief Spence.

[polak]

I don't know if I'm reading it right either but...

There is no way that the government is sharing resource revenues for resources extracted OFF reserve with FN. Hell. No.

You want that then give up your other subsidies.

[1stLand]

The average Canadian would be living in Poverty if it weren't for cheap and available credit.

Difference is, the average Canadian has access to cheap and available credit because we have jobs and a work ethic / desire to work.

If natives had the same work ethic / desire to work and lived off the reserve they would enjoy the same benefits.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Brannigans Law

I find myself having a really tough time hiding how racist I am towads natives. I know it's wrong, and I know that from their perspective there's a lot of reasons why things are so bad on the reservations and amongst natives. But when I think about my family crossing the atlantic ocean in 3rd class, being mocked by the locals for their eastern european accents, and how hard they worked to build a life.. I find myself with just zero sympathy for natives. The phrase "free loaders" comes to mind. I'm genuinely sorry if I offended anyone with this but it's the honest feelings I have and I don't care to dress it up.

I guess I should probably make some sort of a point here.. and that is that the average white Canadian won't be able to sympathize with these movements. They see a reserve system that has failed Canadians and Native Canadians equally. It's a waste of money and it's killing generations of natives. Time to end the treaties and the native act, and bring these people into the rest of civilization.

I appreciate your candor, but I think that this perspective (which, in my opinion, is quite common among "average white Canadians" [as you say]) fails to consider the realities of first-nation-hood in Canada in 2013. For example, it fails to consider the very real racism and prejudice that still exists in Canada today (one may not see it often in downtown Calgary, but I lived in Saskatchewan for five years, and frequently saw and heard it; for example, people openly admitted to me that they would never hire a "native", etc.) It also fails to consider the impact of the residential school program, the horrific abuse that was carried out under the guise of that program, and the lost generations (plagued by alcoholism, sexual abuse, and violence) that the residential school legacy produced.

Through my work in criminal justice and child protection litigation, I have seen some of the worst of the first nations communities. And there is no doubt that, at the individual level at least, individuals must eventually take responsibility for their actions. However, ignoring the root causes of the deplorable conditions that so many first nations persons in Canada live in adds nothing to the conversation about how to improve things.

EDIT: ... just to add that I am not suggesting that the "Idle No More" movement is necessarily adding very much to the discourse either.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

C - "An inquiry into violence against indigenous women." Where is this taking place? Are they more likely off reserve to be subjected to violence than non-indigenous women?

Absolutely.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by 1stLand

The average Canadian would be living in Poverty if it weren't for cheap and available credit.

Difference is, the average Canadian has access to cheap and available credit because we have jobs and a work ethic / desire to work.

If natives had the same work ethic / desire to work and lived off the reserve they would enjoy the same benefits.

this oughta go over well.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by Minnie

You know what would be kind of amusing, is if several groups of people showed up at all the proposed starting points of the march on Monday and protested back and blocked their routes into downtown, keeping them from snarling up the core...

That's an excellent way to start an actual riot and cause a lot of innocent third party damage. While there are legitimate peaceful protesters as part of this movement, there has been an increasing element of anorchists and the 'occupy crowd' who are trying to co-opt the movement to suit their own interests. Perfect example was that Ezra video. Half of the protesters shouting him down were not native or metis and were actually advancing random other axes to grind.

My guess is that a good number of Calgary's professional protesters show up at Olympic Plaza on Monday, the backyard chickens dude Paul Hughes comes to mind, his tire painting ex-wife, that Occuduck person from the occupy thread.

[polak]

Originally Posted by 1stLand

The average Canadian would be living in Poverty if it weren't for cheap and available credit.

Difference is, the average Canadian has access to cheap and available credit because we have jobs and a work ethic / desire to work.

If natives had the same work ethic / desire to work and lived off the reserve they would enjoy the same benefits.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by 1stLand

The average Canadian would be living in Poverty if it weren't for cheap and available credit.

Difference is, the average Canadian has access to cheap and available credit because we have jobs and a work ethic / desire to work.

If natives had the same work ethic / desire to work and lived off the reserve they would enjoy the same benefits.

The majority of natives are average Canadians

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by 1stLand

If natives had the same work ethic / desire to work and lived off the reserve they would enjoy the same benefits.

These sorts of stereotypes aren't helpful, there are lazy people in every demographic.

Edit: And I should add that there are plenty of successful and well run reserves.