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[woob]

Originally Posted by valo403

Ah yes, because it's just that simple right?

If you make it that simple, then yes.

But once again valo, you and I are at an impasse so probably best that we just agree to disagree.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by woob

If you make it that simple, then yes.

But once again valo, you and I are at an impasse so probably best that we just agree to disagree.

Make it that simple how? Quit your job? Move and take the $2000/month hit on an apartment nobody wants to rent?

[woob]

Originally Posted by valo403

Make it that simple how? Quit your job?

I don't know maybe:

1. Talk to your boss, explain your route is impacted by protesters and may result with you being late some days.
2. Leave earlier to account for possible interruption due to protesters.
3. If possible, change your route to get to work so that you avoid as much of the protest as possible.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by woob

I don't know maybe:

1. Talk to your boss, explain your route is impacted by protesters and may result with you being late some days.
2. Leave earlier to account for possible interruption due to protesters.
3. If possible, change your route to get to work so that you avoid as much of the protest as possible.

1. Possible for some, not for people who work in places like trading desks. You're also likely to find many bosses that don't care.

2. Sure, a possibility. It gets pretty tough after 2 months of waking up early due to delays and not getting to sleep due to disturbances in your neighborhood.

3. There are very few routes in and out of lower Manhattan

Honestly I don't think I'm asking for very much here. All i'm really asking for is some respect for the fact that people live and work in the neighborhood you've decided to squat in.

I know one thing for sure, if they attempt to shut down the subways as they have hinted this city will turn on them in a heartbeat.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by woob

I never doubted that there has been impact on people. Perhaps you need to go back and re-read my posts. I'm saying you adjust your life and you move on.

It's still a great movement to many, it's the critics who b#tch and complain about it all day long who like to think it's a lost cause. Even those who agree with some of the bad press coming out of the movement agree that the seed has been planted and even if they take a break, the dialogue has been opened.

Why should anyone have to re-adjust their lives, the anyone's have done nothing at all to deserve having their lives disrupted by people that are literally breaking the law.

And it was a great movement for the first part of the occupy cry, can you honestly say that beyond the initial surge over the first couple of weeks that its done anything.

the problem with a movement thats based on hollow jingo's and scattered intent is that the reason for the movement is lost.

Thats why you're now seeing splinter groups like the 53% that are saying hey, you don't represent us, but your protests are literally hurting us.

I have to give credit, the municipalities are literally turning public opinion against the occupyer's based on the argument that your peaceful protest is costing average taxpayer joe money.

The occupyer movement is not helping itself by crying for condoms and clothing and free electricity, and in the case of new york whining that the homeless were butting into their organic tofu salad food lines.

[woob]

Originally Posted by valo403

Honestly I don't think I'm asking for very much here. All i'm really asking for is some respect for the fact that people live and work in the neighborhood you've decided to squat in.

As I've said before, I know there is impact. I don't deny it. But from my personal perspective I'd much rather change my life in what's most likely a few small ways then sit and b#tch and complain about it with my friends/family/co-workers. Probably just my upbringing though, I'm pretty easy going and don't get phased by a lot of things. Heck, I live in Calgary where during the winter months I adjust my schedule a lot of days by 30 to 45 minutes plus due to snow and cold throughout the winter.

[woob]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Why should anyone have to re-adjust their lives, the anyone's have done nothing at all to deserve having their lives disrupted by people that are literally breaking the law.

Because, unless you have the magic wand to make it go away, it's part of your life for the time being. Adjust, compensate, whatever and move on.

Edit to add: Of course, you're also free to call your local politicians, authorities, what not to express your opinion every day too. This may also have impact in the amount of time these so called hippies, lunatics, and fringe elements wreak havoc on your day to day lives.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by woob

As I've said before, I know there is impact. I don't deny it. But from my personal perspective I'd much rather change my life in what's most likely a few small ways then sit and b#tch and complain about it with my friends/family/co-workers. Probably just my upbringing though, I'm pretty easy going and don't get phased by a lot of things. Heck, I live in Calgary where during the winter months I adjust my schedule a lot of days by 30 to 45 minutes plus due to snow and cold throughout the winter.

You're completely missing the point that people shouldn't have to adjust anything due to these protests. Again and again you ignore the fact that for some reason these protesters think it's okay to disrupt the lives of thousands of people who are just trying to go about their regular business.

Why is that okay? Is their cause so noble that the rights of these people don't matter? Would you be humming the same tune if this was a group of 2000 tea party members?

I'm quite supportive of most of the aims of this movement, at least those originally voiced, but I'm fed up with the actions of a good portion of it. They aren't helping the cause, in fact they're hurting it. They're making it seem like this is about the right to squat in a park and moving the spotlight away from the numerous important issues.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by woob

Because, unless you have the magic wand to make it go away, it's part of your life for the time being. Adjust, compensate, whatever and move on.

Edit to add: Of course, you're also free to call your local politicians, authorities, what not to express your opinion every day too. This may also have impact in the amount of time these so called hippies, lunatics, and fringe elements wreak havoc on your day to day lives.

You're not addressing the point. Obviously the reality is what it is and you have to adjust to it, the point is why is it acceptable for that to be the reality.

[THE SCUD]

woob: Serious question - What do you do for a living?

[woob]

Originally Posted by THE SCUD

woob: Serious question - What do you do for a living?

Why does this have any basis in the discussion? I am employed.

[woob]

Originally Posted by valo403

You're not addressing the point. Obviously the reality is what it is and you have to adjust to it, the point is why is it acceptable for that to be the reality.

My argument was never what is and what isn't acceptable. I'm saying it's reality and people need to adjust to that.

Why is it acceptable for you to judge and apply names and labels to the protesters?

Edit: Would you stop editing your posts after I quote them :P (said in good humour)

[valo403]

Originally Posted by woob

My argument was never what is and what isn't acceptable. I'm saying it's reality and people need to adjust to that.

Why is it acceptable for you to judge and apply names and labels to the protesters?

I'm not allowed to have an opinion based upon what I see and experience?

[woob]

Originally Posted by valo403

I'm not allowed to have an opinion based upon what I see and experience?

You're totally allowed an opinion! Just like I'm totally allowed to comment that I think people who are still complaining about the impact on their life should suck it and up and adjust, which if you go back and read my original comment yesterday (I think), was my whole point! I have never commented on what I think is acceptable, on whether I think it's right or wrong that the protesters are infringing on people's everyday life, or such.

[woob]

Originally Posted by valo403

Would you be humming the same tune if this was a group of 2000 tea party members?

Absolutely.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by woob

You're totally allowed an opinion! Just like I'm totally allowed to comment that I think people who are still complaining about the impact on their life should suck it and up and adjust, which if you go back and read my original comment yesterday (I think), was my whole point! I have never commented on what I think is acceptable, on whether I think it's right or wrong that the protesters are infringing on people's everyday life, or such.

Right, and where have I ever disputed that you are allowed to comment? What I've said is your ducking the issue that both myself and Captain have raised repeatedly.

[woob]

Originally Posted by valo403

Right, and where have I ever disputed that you are allowed to comment? What I've said is your ducking the issue that both myself and Captain have raised repeatedly.

My opinion on the issue is as follows:

1. Protests can be disruptive. (G20, Arab Springs, NYC)
2. There's one happening in NYC and I support their choice to protest.
3. People will have to adjust while it's happening.
4. People can call their local representatives if they're unhappy.
5. The end.

If you're looking for anything else, you'll have to look elsewhere. I'm not here to satisfy you with my opinion or view.

Edit: Removed hockey fans from #1. That doesn't really apply.

[afc wimbledon]

Its not a protest its a camp site, I would man the barricades with them to defend their right to stand out there with placards and bullhorns day in and day out, that is a protest, when you set up a tent you are camping not protesting, protests involve personal sacrifise, it is a cold wet and unpleasent activity where you register how pissed off you are by the lengths you are prepared to suffer.

Even a 'sit in' to be legitimate needs to occupy the space of the thing they are protesting about and do it with whatever they walked in with.
In Vancouver they are occupying the art gallery, unless they are protesting post modern design that is not a legitimate site to protest anything beyond an afternoon

[valo403]

Originally Posted by woob

My opinion on the issue is as follows:

1. Protests can be disruptive. (G20, Arab Springs, NYC)
2. There's one happening in NYC and I support their choice to protest.
3. People will have to adjust while it's happening.
4. People can call their local representatives if they're unhappy.
5. The end.

If you're looking for anything else, you'll have to look elsewhere. I'm not here to satisfy you with my opinion or view.

Edit: Removed hockey fans from #1. That doesn't really apply.

Would probably make sense to remove Arab Springs as well, that comparison has been absurd from the start.

I will say that you're doing a very convenient job of avoiding discussing an actual issue, instead sticking with what are quite obvious conclusions.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Its not a protest its a camp site, I would man the barricades with them to defend their right to stand out there with placards and bullhorns day in and day out, that is a protest, when you set up a tent you are camping not protesting, protests involve personal sacrifise, it is a cold wet and unpleasent activity where you register how pissed off you are by the lengths you are prepared to suffer.

Even a 'sit in' to be legitimate needs to occupy the space of the thing they are protesting about and do it with whatever they walked in with.
In Vancouver they are occupying the art gallery, unless they are protesting post modern design that is not a legitimate site to protest anything beyond an afternoon

If they're handing any of that Michael Godard crap, I'll join the occupy movement til all of his art is burned in a hobo barrel