[Trade] Elias Lindholm + Noah Hanifin to Flames for D. Hamilton, Micheal Ferland, & Adam Fox - Page 44 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

GioforPM · 06-23-2018, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

My question would then be...how do you acquire the two players you like without giving something you don't like giving up?

Seems impossible...no?

Obviously wanted Hanifin and Lindholm for Stone and Brouwer, and who wouldn't.

devo22 · 06-23-2018, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Kybb79

Lindholm had 1 goal from Feb to the last game of the season. What a great trade.

Ferland had 2 from January 12. Your point?

Skyceman · 06-23-2018, 02:44 PM

I was on the fence on this one at first but after the interview with Brad, I came away feeling a lot better.

Hamilton
- He mentioned twice he's a "good player" but avoided adding the usual "quality person" off the ice comments we often hear.
- Said he wouldn't comment on the other "things".
- He even mentioned factoring in the off ice stuff into these deals.
// clearly Hamilton had to go and was likely a root of the problems the team had

Ferland
- coming up on UFA
- streaky player
- likely overvalued since we are so weak on the wings.
// moving him out while the value was still high

Fox
- clearly he wasn't going to sign with us.
// selling an asset we dont own and were not going to own anyways lowers the bargaining chip value

So we're getting back two young players who have yet to scratch the surface of their potential (Brad's words) has me optimistic.

Another intangible is adding players from a team where your new coach who has a very good read of the quality and type of players they are is another advantage. Most trades don't allow you that insight and we remove alot of variables. Carolina does not have anyone standing on their side from the Flames side and would not be prevy to the dressing room/character issues we are aware of.

868904 · 06-23-2018, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Flames are a little short in the truculence department now. Need a Ferland replacement, albeit for the third/fourth line.

Lomberg is likely the closet comparable in the system, but lacks size.

Hopefully the Flames sign Reaves to piss off the anti-truculence crowd.

jayswin · 06-23-2018, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Owen15

Fox’s concern about his competition on the Flames was most concerning to me. I’d prefer players who will earn their spot not engineer it.

Meh, people always get like this, but think of it from his perspective: He's got one shot to make his dreams come true. In the real world any of us do whatever it takes to give yourself the best possible situation in our careers and lives.

Yet when a player does it in a sports league we get all but hurt.

The NHL is a cold business to the players, they'll dispose of you the second you're not worth it to them anymore, yet their supposed to show loyalty and be all "gee golly, I'll push my way through that glut of defensemen because this is the team that drafted me!!!"

Screw that. Use whatever you have at your disposal to make your dream come true....and being able to become a UFA is one hell of a resource at your disposal!

CsInMyBlood · 06-23-2018, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Kybb79

Lindholm had 1 goal from Feb to the last game of the season. What a great trade.

Exactly.

I keep reading how Ferland was inconsistent or a streaky player.

Kybb79 · 06-23-2018, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by devo22

Ferland had 2 from January 12. Your point?

Ferly makes far less money. Ferly was hurt. Lindholm is mediocre.

dieHARDflameZ · 06-23-2018, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Corral

Those of us who have been driving the Get Rid of Hamilton wagon for a couple years now, can just sit back and smile.

The clincher has to have been the sour grapes from him when Freddie was dealt to Arizona. It was so obvious in how he so poorly handled media questions on it.

Good riddance.

You come off as a really arrogant dude but you probably already knew that.

Frequitude · 06-23-2018, 02:46 PM

This is such a great trade from an asset management perspective. Ferland and Fox would
be gone next year and Dougie in three. Hanifin and Lindholm will be under control for 5+ years.

Then add on that we got rid of an apparent head case, finally got a top 2ish RW, and that Hanifin has a decent chance to be just as valuable as Hamilton (different skill set though).

I’m loving it.

transplant99 · 06-23-2018, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by nik-

Why? Answer the tough questions? They're not tough questions, they're just the same questions over and over leading to the same boring answers over and over and they really don't do anything to make the team better, which is all that matters.

Again, Kipper did the same thing, people didn't seem to mind much then, other than media types.

why? Because its part of the gig. Its such a greasy move to duck out and allow others to answer those questions...why do any of them show up? Why not have your guys backs along with them?

Kipper never spoke to the media, this is true. At least he was consistent about it though and RARELY was he ever part of the problem. Hamilton? Not so much.

Wahtever though, it really does appear that there was major concern over something involving DH's personality and/or off ice life in regards to being part of a team here. Who knows...maybe he really did ask to be dealt?

Manhattanboy · 06-23-2018, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mitch

We have had a couple of mediocre - awful seasons with Hamilton and Ferland at the head of the core. I'm glad our GM is looking to move pieces around in order to better our team, as opposed to staying par for the course.

Late to the party. My thoughts exactly.

the_only_turek_fan · 06-23-2018, 02:46 PM

Where is all this Hamilton has off ice issues crap coming from?

This sounds like the Boston media in 2015.

browna · 06-23-2018, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Kybb79

Lindholm had 1 goal from Feb to the last game of the season. What a great trade.

Ferland had 1 as well in that time frame.

TheScorpion · 06-23-2018, 02:46 PM

For one, I'd be stoked if the Flames signed Ryan Reaves as an extra forward. Him and Versteeg would be the best extra forward combo in the league

devo22 · 06-23-2018, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

Exactly.

I keep reading how Ferland was inconsistent or a streaky player.

and he is, just look at his game log. He lit it up in early November and then again around New Year, but that's about it.

https://www.nhl.com/player/micheal-f...eason=20172018

Tron_fdc · 06-23-2018, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

My question would then be...how do you acquire the two players you like without giving something you don't like giving up?

Seems impossible...no?

IMO we lost this trade and I hate losing.

Time will tell and I REALLY hope I'm wrong, but at this point in time I'm not a fan of this deal.

dammage79 · 06-23-2018, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Where is all this Hamilton has off ice issues crap coming from?

This sounds like the Boston media in 2015.

Where there's smoke there's fire! - great CP cliche.

jg13 · 06-23-2018, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Textcritic

Sam Bennett is 22.

I thought he was 18

dammage79 · 06-23-2018, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jg13

I thought he was 18

19 two years in a row.

Stanley · 06-23-2018, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Frequitude

This is such a great trade from an asset management perspective. Ferland and Fox would
be gone next year and Dougie in three. Hanifin and Lindholm will be under control for 5+ years.

Then add on that we got rid of an apparent head case, finally got a top 2ish RW, and that Hanifin has a decent chance to be just as valuable as Hamilton (different skill set though).

I’m loving it.

Its refreshing to see someone understands a thing or two about asset management...