2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Duffalufagus]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

A depth forward? Apparently Arizona's been dangling the LandPhil at 50% for a 3rd and no one's biting lol. Could probably be had for the 2022 5th and a cap dump at this point (Ritchie/Richardson/both).

https://theathletic.com/3124375/2022...tl-and-others/


I will stubbornly beat the Kessel drum til he gets traded elsewhere

Not a Darryl guy. Will never happen.

[Duffalufagus]

Originally Posted by TheChief

The way I look at this team right now, we still need to address the third line in a bad way to go deep.


I know this isn't a technical analysis but hear me out :


Gaudreau - Lindholm - Tkachuk = Combined +100
Mangiapane - Backlund - Coleman = Combined +24
Dube - Monahan - Ritchie = Combined - 30
Lucic - Ruzicka - Lewis = Combined +3


Accepting your premise, the fact is we did the best thing possible to address the deficiency, given what was realistically available. Keeping in mind the short and long term interests of the team in mind.


What this tells me is our supposed "3rd" Line is caving us in and is our weakest link. Lets be honest Sean should be eating popcorn on a nightly basis.



Brad needs to go out and address the 3 C situation, I think at this point Monahan not playing will actually help the team.



Get McCann and get him now. Absolutely perfect player for that third line.

What legit 2C (or 3C upgrade on monahan) would have been available for the same value bump Toffoli provides at a similar cost? Tell me the player and tell me the player/package we’d have to give up to make that happen? And then defend the relative value vs what we paid for Toffoli (beans)?

There is this unicorn belief that 2C’s grow on trees, are affordable, represent significant upgrades, and can be had without mortgaging the future. It’s unrealistic and, quite frankly, nonsensical wishcasting.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by dammage79

But where do the Flames clear 4m? It isn't gonna be Monahan. Even with Ruzicka blossoming before our very eyes we'd still be woefully short at center. Unless one thinks swapping mangiapane off of RW on line 2 for Toffoli, moving Mangiapane to LW with Dube at C and Kessel at RW.

Is that a better roster make up? I honestly don't know.

And with the rumors of ownership nixing a few Monahan deals already, I'm gonna go out on limb and say he ain't moving until he hits FA.

I dont know, I like the roster composition as it is with Toffolis arrival. It's strong. Really strong.

Do tell. Terrible if true.

[TheChief]

Originally Posted by Duffalufagus

What legit 2C (or 3C upgrade on monahan) would have been available for the same value bump Toffoli provides at a similar cost? Tell me the player and tell me the player/package we’d have to give up to make that happen? And then defend the relative value vs what we paid for Toffoli (beans)?

There is this unicorn belief that 2C’s grow on trees, are affordable, represent significant upgrades, and can be had without mortgaging the future. It’s unrealistic and, quite frankly, nonsensical wishcasting.

I think your missing in my point in that I want to keep Toffoli but ADD McCann (or a cheap cost controlled, young, promising centre) as well.



I think with the way Monahan has played this year he is going to kill anyone on his line



So what unfortunately will have to happen if Brad cant address this, is Coleman will have to be moved onto Monahans line to keep them above water as Sutter likes rolling 4 lines, and will need to when the tough games come in the playoffs.



As Sutter said "If the centre on the line isn't going, the line isn't going ". (rough quote)

[GioforPM]

I think the rumours of owners nixing a Monahan deal would have had to be based on either retention of salary of a big contract coming back. Otherwise they wouldn’t care. So if it was retention we are now a year down the road, so there’s less cash to retain. And if it was contract coming back (eg Anderson) maybe that landscape has changed too.

ETA:

Isn’t McCann a LW?

[TheChief]

Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of Coleman on the third line, that's where he should be...with Backlund.


I just see McCann as such a dream fit for us. Would be probably our fastest player on the team and is a RFA in the offseason.



I would ideally slot him on the second line with Mangiapane and Toffoli.


Gaudreau - Lindholm - Tkachuk
Mangiapane - McCann - Toffoli
Lucic - Backlund - Coleman
Dube - Ruzicka - Lewis


Honestly, id like to see Pelletier tried on the fourth line. I think Dube like Monahan should also be in the press box. We could almost use a veteran upgrade on the fourth line.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by TheChief

I think your missing in my point in that I want to keep Toffoli but ADD McCann (or a cheap cost controlled, young, promising centre) as well.



I think with the way Monahan has played this year he is going to kill anyone on his line



So what unfortunately will have to happen if Brad cant address this, is Coleman will have to be moved onto Monahans line to keep them above water as Sutter likes rolling 4 lines, and will need to when the tough games come in the playoffs.



As Sutter said "If the centre on the line isn't going, the line isn't going ". (rough quote)

McCann has supposed “character issues” and doesn’t seem to stick around long any team he’s been on.

As for C that may be available and an upgrade on Monahan, Dvorak and Schmaltz are 2 guys who might deserve some consideration.

[Roof-Daddy]

Okay, it was widely reported that Treliving was given full control with his latest contract.

How can ownership nix any deals if that's the case?

[dammage79]

I'm thinking McCann can stay in the U.S as I think he's one of those guys who doesn't want to play in Canada full time.

The whole Vancouver situation was because of that I think

[TheChief]

Monahan has to go next year. Whether he will be Rhett Warrener 'd or traded with some draft capital to a team that could eat his salary, time will tell. I highly doubt ownership would nix any trade involving a severely under performing player on a big $$$ contract. If they did, we got other problems.

[Vinny01]

One poster says they heard the Flames owners nixed multiple Monahan trades. Could be true could be completely made up.

Maybe when they would of had to sign off on the same 5.5x7 the Habs signed Josh Andersen for and they were not keen on doing that for an injured older player who scored 1 goal the year before?

I can’t see them shutting down multiple trades unless it cost them a lot of money

[GioforPM]

You know, there’s not a player on the Flames at present that I think has any character issues. That couldn’t be said as recently as a couple years ago. I don’t want that to change no matter who the player is. I’d hate to hold my nose and cheer for a Kane or DeAngelo or Draisaitl or Virtanen.

[TheChief]

Some McCann info for the non convinced.



https://thehockeywriters.com/canucks...ccann-mistake/


He has looked great in Seattle/Pittsburgh, with our supposed "tight knit" room, surely we could take a lad like him in.



Make it happen Brad!!!

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by TheChief

Some McCann info for the non convinced.



https://thehockeywriters.com/canucks...ccann-mistake/


He has looked great in Seattle/Pittsburgh, with our supposed "tight knit" room, surely we could take a lad like him in.



Make it happen Brad!!!

Not going to lie exactly the kind of Center I would be looking for but how??

Also not knowing the pens situation exactly why trade an incoming Center?

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by TheChief

Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of Coleman on the third line, that's where he should be...with Backlund.


I just see McCann as such a dream fit for us. Would be probably our fastest player on the team and is a RFA in the offseason.



I would ideally slot him on the second line with Mangiapane and Toffoli.


Gaudreau - Lindholm - Monahan
Mangiapane - McCann - Toffoli
Lucic - Backlund - Coleman
Dube - Ruzicka - Lewis


Honestly, id like to see Pelletier tried on the fourth line. I think Dube like Monahan should also be in the press box. We could almost use a veteran upgrade on the fourth line.

We do not take Tkachuk from Gaudreau. I swear Gaudreau gets at least one break away a game because of the passing and chemistry between him and Tkachuk. They are stupidly dynamic together.

Actually you didn't even have Tkachuk in your line up now that I look at it.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon

https://twitter.com/user/status/1493743150887628808

Cheap, depth D you say?

Problem with Pysyk is that he's only played 4 playoff games in his career-doesn't help with PO experience at all....

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

If Monahan doesn't take the opportunity here, I could see him being traded to a non-contender for a better C, with additional consideration.

As much as I love Mony, I would love this to happen. Mony+ for a C that can drive play better. Would require some serious wizardry....

[TheChief]

Originally Posted by MrMike

We do not take Tkachuk from Gaudreau. I swear Gaudreau gets at least one break away a game because of the passing and chemistry between him and Tkachuk. They are stupidly dynamic together.

Actually you didn't even have Tkachuk in your line up now that I look at it.

Sorry had Monahan on the brain when I posted my lineup!

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Okay, it was widely reported that Treliving was given full control with his latest contract.

How can ownership nix any deals if that's the case?

Makes sense if it involves things such as retaining salary

[Tkachukwagon]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1493766145484095494