Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by homestand

Where is the moderator?

…of?

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by homestand

Where is the moderator?

Why, what's up?

[Dion]

I remember reciting the Lord Prayer in assembly during my Elementary school years in the late 60's. Not sure what year we stopped reciting it. I also did not attend any religious schools.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

First I should state clearly that this is not an explicate, or liturgical ( although it was in many cases up to 2013 when public schools quit saying the lords player in the morning). Rather I argue that public schools are culturally protestant. I would go so far as to say that most secularism in Canada upholds the sensibilities, attitudes, assumptions, and behaviors of Protestantism.

Public schools were at their foundation schools to teach protestant Canadians in English's, catholic schools to teach French Canadians. the assumption that protestant schools are purely secular and public is upheld by the assumption that Protestant culture is neutral and natural.

While I agree there is a separation in the outright religious nature of catholic vs public schools it is worth acknowledging that public schools shed the outright religious elements of Protestantism while maintaining the cultural elements.


Telal Asad's Formations of the Secular and David Martins The Religious and the Secular are great books on the subject.

https://link.springer.com/article/10...15-020-00456-9

I don't think 'intrinsically' is the right word for your previous post.

If you want to argue that HISTORICALLY public schools had a significant degree of protestantism, that would probably be fair, because a significant portion of the population of students and teachers used to be protestant and/or see little distinction between 'Christian values' and general societal values.

Things have changed, and there is nothing intrinsic anymore, at least outside of some rural places, where of course the schooling reflects the values of the local populace

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

I don't think 'intrinsically' is the right word for your previous post.

If you want to argue that HISTORICALLY public schools had a significant degree of protestantism, that would probably be fair, because a significant portion of the population of students and teachers used to be protestant and/or see little distinction between 'Christian values' and general societal values.

Things have changed, and there is nothing intrinsic anymore, at least outside of some rural places, where of course the schooling reflects the values of the local populace

Ya, it sounds a lot like the (poor)argument that all morals are Christian morals. Without religion, you can't have morality. I think that's what they are getting at...

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Totally, eh.

I enjoy the r/Christianity subreddit quite a bit and this week somebody asked if Mormons should be considered Christians. The resounding consensus was, no, they are not. Reasons cited sounded like an SNL sketch. "Real" Christians are offended that Mormons are so dumb to not believe that God is the one true god, but also he is actually three gods, which is obviously just one god. Like, they were critically looking at all the stupid claims in Mormonism with these total blinders on with respect to how ridiculous they sounded with their equally implausible takes on reality. It was a wild ride.

That's why I love the story of scientology so much. Everyone recognizes that it's ridiculous, but it's no more or less ridiculous than any other bible story I've heard

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Sliver

I'd respect him more if it was a round table. I'm not a fan of people who act like they're king #### and the rest of us are their supporting characters.

[Muta]

I went to Catholic school here in Calgary from grades 1-6, and we had to say the Our Father prayer in the morning as well sing O Canada. Pretty sure it was every morning, but I can't remember. Religion was also a daily class, and some school events at the church a couple blocks away.

Then I went to public school instead for grades 7-12, and turned into a hedonistic sinner and overall rapscallion, void of people telling me to worship invisible/archaic deities and give up my Sundays. Had a ####ing great time; 10/10 would do again!

[Inglewood Jack]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Why, what's up?

responded like he was already a mod. I'd love to see what a Sliver modded forum would look like

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Ya, it sounds a lot like the (poor)argument that all morals are Christian morals. Without religion, you can't have morality. I think that's what they are getting at...

Wait what? Read the article I linked, I am no r/atheism straw man.

[Ashartus]

Originally Posted by Dion

I remember reciting the Lord Prayer in assembly during my Elementary school years in the late 60's. Not sure what year we stopped reciting it. I also did not attend any religious schools.

I was about a decade behind you and don't remember reciting the Lord's Prayer in a public elementary. I do remember singing God Save the Queen and the old version of O Canada (before they added the "God keep our land" line) until ~1980 when we dropped God Save the Queen and just sang the updated O Canada.

[surferguy]

Originally Posted by Sliver

I think if I were Jesus I would prefer to be remembered during happier times. Like why not a picture of me playing soccer, or hanging with my friends grabbing a pint of ale, or standing in front of a house I just built looking all proud with my tool belt on or something. Seems pretty rude to be so laser focused on what was - without a doubt - the ####tiest time of his short life.

I asked MidJourney for a more fun looking Jesus.



This is the Jesus I want to hangout with.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Sliver

What's more embarrassing is Calgarians continue to enroll their children into these indoctrination facilities. It's ridiculous.

Pro tip - if there's a violently tortured dying guy strung up with giant bolts on a cross as you walk into the building you're going to a super ####ed up institution and you should probably turn on the rational side of your brain and GTFO of that psychoness.

I'd like to see some statistics on how many catholic students come from actual religious families vs how many are there simply due to convenience. That's the whole reason they throw up those catholic schools so quickly in new communities, a 5 minute walk to the jesus school vs a 45 minute bus ride to the CBE school is a difficult choice even for the hardened athiests

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

I'd like to see some statistics on how many catholic students come from actual religious families vs how many are there simply due to convenience. That's the whole reason they throw up those catholic schools so quickly in new communities, a 5 minute walk to the jesus school vs a 45 minute bus ride to the CBE school is a difficult choice even for the hardened athiests

That was me, did 50/50 public and catholic growing up and it was purely based on convenience

I also skipped every single religion class in high school though

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

I'd like to see some statistics on how many catholic students come from actual religious families vs how many are there simply due to convenience. That's the whole reason they throw up those catholic schools so quickly in new communities, a 5 minute walk to the jesus school vs a 45 minute bus ride to the CBE school is a difficult choice even for the hardened athiests

There is definitely a lot of enrollment due to convenience. I have friends who sent their kids to Catholic schools because they were much closer and walking distance. They aren't religious people at all although most grew up Catholic but lost affiliation as late teens.

[Nufy]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

There is definitely a lot of enrollment due to convenience. I have friends who sent their kids to Catholic schools because they were much closer and walking distance. They aren't religious people at all although most grew up Catholic but lost affiliation as late teens.

Yep...

Catholic school was down the alley and across the field for my kids.

Vs. a 20 minute walk and crossing a major street.

As well the catholic system was graduating students with a higher average grade than public.

Both of my kids attended until Senior high.

[Monahammer]

I don't recall any prayers at public school in the early 90s. I went to Varsity Acres. We did salute the flag every morning, which in retrospect is oddly nationalistic. I still remember the pledge:
" I salute the flag, the emblem of our country. To her I pledge my love and loyalty."

Said after the anthem.

[D as in David]

As I've been door-knocking, you get the occasional UCP supporter who is very frightened of DS and who is willing to shoot the #### around their concerns. (some canvassers have encountered trolls but I have yet to). I just talk to them about what concerns they about either party and genuinely listen to them. Because I'm not deep into the platforms of either party, we just end up having a discussion. People seem to want to know that they're being listened to and definitely don't want to be lectured about their choices. I see some UCP supporting people that are very frightened about the world and they're not happy about their party at this time.

I've brought up the fact to some on-the-fence supporters that there hasn't been a PC/UCP premier that has begun and ended a legislative assembly since Klein; that seems to get them thinking a little.

[timun]

Originally Posted by D as in David

I've brought up the fact to some on-the-fence supports that there hasn't been a PC/UCP premier that has begun and ended a legislative assembly since Klein

Jeez, I never really thought about it in those terms before... The only premiers we've had who began and finished a leg. session in the last FIFTY-FIVE YEARS are Lougheed (thrice), Getty (once), Klein (thrice) and Notley (once)...

[Monahammer]

haha that is actually quite a stunning stat. Well done pulling that out.