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Old 10-14-2022, 12:51 PM   #8661
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Also, on the FSB announcement of the arrests of 8 Crimean bridge conspirators, should that be reported when they are also the source of this?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1518626917456527360

Report would be: "FSB says they busted a secret Ukrainian Nazi cell with plans for terrorist attacks on Moscow"

There is a point where you need to take a step and not report such outlandish false statements, no matter how 'unbiased' you want to be.
I swear I saw this "sims" thing posted at the beginning of the war in a different story. I think those photos are being recycled.

Edit: I see that's an old tweet now, oops.

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Old 10-14-2022, 12:57 PM   #8662
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I swear I saw this "sims" thing posted at the beginning of the war in a different story. I think those photos are being recycled.
Yes, look at the date of the tweets.

I think the point was that the FSB has been ridiculous - as evidenced by the SIMs - and can't be trusted when making claims about the bridge conspirators.
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Didn't see the date on the tweet.
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Old 10-14-2022, 01:03 PM   #8664
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This has me wondering - did Canada "bid" on Alaska?



Edit - Googled for myself... a) Canada was still a British colony and wasn't a country yet and b) Great Britain and Russia were still imperialistic rivals, so the US was perceived to be the friendlier purchaser from the Russian perspective.
Yeah, at the time, both Canada and India were British controlled. Russia didn't want Britain to its West, South, and East simultaneously. So they sold to the U.S. instead.
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Dang onions.. what a strong group
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LOL purchasing Sakhalin! Someone here is a secret oil exec haha
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Old 10-15-2022, 01:00 PM   #8667
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For everyone celebrating the deaths of Russian Troops

https://news.yahoo.com/newly-mobilis...162015946.html

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Coffins containing the bodies of men conscripted by the Kremlin just last month are already being flown back to Russia from Ukraine.

Pro-war Russian bloggers said that the death of conscripts barely three weeks after Vladimir Putin ordered a mobilisation showed just how shambolic the process had been.

"Some commanders on the ground should be shot," Anastasia Kashevarova told her 180,000 subscribers on the Telegram social media channel. "The result of mobilisation is that untrained guys are thrown into the frontline. Zinc coffins are already being sent back to Chelyabinsk, Yekaterinburg and Moscow."

War Kitten Z, another Russian military blogger with 470,000 subscribers, agreed. He said that mobilised men from Moscow were sent to fight in Ukraine with only one day's training and that half of their regiment had been injured or killed after coming under artillery bombardment.

"These mobilised men were left without command and without control," he said. "They suffered serious losses without even entering into a direct clash."

Videos posted online by Russian men mobilised after Mr Putin's order on September 21st also showed drunkenness, poor food and a lack of equipment. The men were told to buy their own first aid kits and there have been reports of ammunition running out.
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"Russian incompetence continues to take its toll on mobilised personnel before they even reach the frontlines, likely exacerbating already-low morale," said the US-based Institute for the Study of War.

Russia's army has been pushed back across Ukraine's main battlefields since declaring a pause in fighting in the Donbas region in July, losing huge swathes of territory in northeast Ukraine near Kharkiv and southern Ukraine near Kherson.
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More Russian casualties means fewer Ukrainian ones, and I'm quite firmly in pro-Ukraine camp.



When there are no Ukrainian casualties, that means Russia has withdrawn and that is what I'm cheering for. Until then, Russia and get ####ed.
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Old 10-15-2022, 03:11 PM   #8670
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The Russian military is going to run out of options soon. They can’t just keep throwing meat into to and expect the initiative to change. They recently wasted many of their conventional missiles to hit non-military targets and their industrial capacity won’t replace them quickly.

Pretty soon the only choice is going to be to capitulate or go nuclear. Hopefully someone takes out Putin soon because he isn’t the one I want making that choice.
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Old 10-15-2022, 03:47 PM   #8671
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The Russian military is going to run out of options soon. They can’t just keep throwing meat into to and expect the initiative to change. They recently wasted many of their conventional missiles to hit non-military targets and their industrial capacity won’t replace them quickly.

Pretty soon the only choice is going to be to capitulate or go nuclear. Hopefully someone takes out Putin soon because he isn’t the one I want making that choice.
The problem is even without missiles, the Kremlin can resort to their Chechnya style strategies of terrorizing civilians and towns with constant & cheap rocket & artillery bombardments, especially if Belarus allows them to start attacking from the North as well.
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The problem is even without missiles, the Kremlin can resort to their Chechnya style strategies of terrorizing civilians and towns with constant & cheap rocket & artillery bombardments, especially if Belarus allows them to start attacking from the North as well.
except they really can't now, they have to assume at this point they will be fighting numerous regional conflicts with breakaway republics, they cannot afford to throw their remaining stocks of munitions into a war they cannot win.

It's not just the west that has realized Russia is a 3rd rate military, they are on their knees gasping for breathe at this point, any and everyone with a grudge in the various 'Stans is going to start planning their moves
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Old 10-15-2022, 05:37 PM   #8673
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For everyone celebrating the deaths of Russian Troops

https://news.yahoo.com/newly-mobilis...162015946.html
I don't think anyone is celebrating the death of those soldiers who were conscripted or forced to fight in Ukraine.

It's Putin and his generals and the russian propaganda peddlers that are the ones that should be held to account.
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Old 10-15-2022, 05:59 PM   #8674
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Old 10-15-2022, 08:46 PM   #8675
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except they really can't now, they have to assume at this point they will be fighting numerous regional conflicts with breakaway republics, they cannot afford to throw their remaining stocks of munitions into a war they cannot win.

It's not just the west that has realized Russia is a 3rd rate military, they are on their knees gasping for breathe at this point, any and everyone with a grudge in the various 'Stans is going to start planning their moves
The best case would be the breakaway republics now realizing that Russia is at its weakest with its military decimated and now they can start stirring it up and surrounding Russian from all sides.
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Old 10-16-2022, 12:57 AM   #8676
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The problem is even without missiles, the Kremlin can resort to their Chechnya style strategies of terrorizing civilians and towns with constant & cheap rocket & artillery bombardments, especially if Belarus allows them to start attacking from the North as well.
So what is the Ukrainian response?

If the Ukrainian army is still well supplied and they continue to push back the Russian lines are transportation points and supply depots deep within Russia fair game? NATO supplied artillery has a greater effective range than the Russian designs. Will this strategy give cover for using nuclear weapons? Russia respects the consequences of using nuclear weapons, if they did not, they would have used them already.

Russia wants to open up an northern front, using Belorussian troops. I think Putin is running out of expendable troops. The expendable troops being ethnic minorities and those from remote communities, not young men from the major cities. The way to end this war is to have young men form Moscow and Saint Petersburg coming home in body bags. 50,000 dead Belorussians will not have the same effect as having proper Russian families mourning their dead.

This is a harsh take, but I think the way to end this war is for the Ukrainian army to send young Muscovites back to their families. This will put pressure on the political class to end the war.

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Old 10-16-2022, 10:30 AM   #8677
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How much conscription could realistically be called? You still need bankers to go to work, the postman, the factory worker etc to keep the country running.

Could the Russians muster a 10 million man army? 5 million?

I imagine NATO weaponry would mow down 5 million the same as 500,000, but still a curious exercise when people start talking about Russia “running out of troops”.

Ukraine appears not to be running out anything.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...ilization-men/

Shame the Russians don’t have the guts to stand up to their govt that it sending them untrained into a grinder. Glad point got out otherwise you’d likely have been “recruited”.
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How much conscription could realistically be called? You still need bankers to go to work, the postman, the factory worker etc to keep the country running.

Could the Russians muster a 10 million man army? 5 million?

I imagine NATO weaponry would mow down 5 million the same as 500,000, but still a curious exercise when people start talking about Russia “running out of troops”.

Ukraine appears not to be running out anything.
One of the things I’ve learned since this all started is the Ukrainian army is quite large and with mandatory military service there is a huge reserve to recall when invaded.

Plus, my guess is it’s easier to get people to fight for their homes and their livelihoods than it is to convince them to leave their homes and livelihoods behind and go fight someone in another country.
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It’s not like Ukraine is a small country. They’re seventh in Europe at 44 million. Russia is number one sure but it’s also spread over a huge area. And Russia it’s clear at this point is losing their capacity to use modern weaponry. They’re pulling T-62s and other 50 year old equipment out of storage for use. Giving untrained recruits an AK-47 isn’t going to do much to turn the tide of war.
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