2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

It is 4 full seasons until they would need to make the playoffs in the 27/28 season. I think the key is tanking for high picks the next 2 years and in year 3 be pushing forward to hopefully make it in season 4. I think even a playoff miss where they finish 5pts out of the WC spot would be fine they just will not want to be losing and definitely in a move forward spot by the time the new building opens and we pay significantly more for tickets and concessions.

While Makar could be a pipe dream it is also within reason as he lives here in the offseason and when his contract is up the Flames should be a team on the upswing when the Avs could be that aging team on the downside

It's already a silly pipedream on CP, but the even bigger issue is that even if he would get to free agency and be willing to choose his hometown, you think the Flames would leave or be able to open the likely $18-$20milAAV cap space necessary to sign him, just in case he gets to UFA and chooses Calgary?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Sutter would be the last guy I'd want to come on during a rebuild.

We not doing phrasing anymore?

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Buffalo has called to inquire as to the availability of Coleman.
Flames have once again checked in on the Necas price, sounds like NYR are standing firm on the 1st for now.

Based on what BUF payed for McLeod I hope Conroy could get a good prospect back.

I wish we could snag Peterka, or Benson but I don't see that happening. Kulich, Rosen, or Ostlund would be pretty good adds IMO. All 3 are slightly smaller, but they're all very effective at carrying the puck, playing with speed, and making skilled plays. Ostlund is the more defensive player of the bunch, and a potential Backlund replacement down the road.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Based on what BUF payed for McLeod I hope Conroy could get a good prospect back.

I wish we could snag Peterka, or Benson but I don't see that happening. Kulich, Rosen, or Ostlund would be pretty good adds IMO. All 3 are slightly smaller, but they're all very effective at carrying the puck, playing with speed, and making skilled plays. Ostlund is the more defensive player of the bunch, and a potential Backlund replacement down the road.

This is bang on, but I have to counter the assessment on Kulich- he's actually 6'1",185, and like you said, he has tremendous speed, wicked 1-on-1 skill, and high IQ. He plays a bit of a hard-nosed game, with a high compete level along the boards, and a fearlessness in driving the net, and his hard, heavy shot might be his best asset. I think he's been cast as a winger for most of his time in North America, but he was drafted as a C with well-developed two-way awareness. I love this player, and would consider it a coup if we landed him.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Sandman

This is bang on, but I have to counter the assessment on Kulich- he's actually 6'1",185, and like you said, he has tremendous speed, wicked 1-on-1 skill, and high IQ. He plays a bit of a hard-nosed game, with a high compete level along the boards, and a fearlessness in driving the net, and his hard, heavy shot might be his best asset. I think he's been cast as a winger for most of his time in North America, but he was drafted as a C with well-developed two-way awareness. I love this player, and would consider it a coup if we landed him.

You're right of course, I stand corrected. I remembered him being smaller from his draft year. At least it wasn't my mind playing tricks:

The Buffalo Sabres have selected center Jiri Kulich with the 28th-overall pick in the 2022 NHL Draft.
With Karlov Vary in Czechia's top professional league, he recorded 14 points (9+15) in 49 games played, more points than any junior-aged player in the league.

The 5-foot-11, 178-pound native of Kadan, Czechia was ranked 13th by NHL Central Scouting among European-based skaters.

[Nelson]

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/buffal...-up-the-middle

Kulich seems to be playing mostly centre, and he was usually ranked behind Benson but ahead of Savoie in prospect rankings. To get 46 points in 62 games in the AHL in his D+1 year and then follow it up with improvement, including 27 goals, is very impressive. Kulich seems like a fantastic target.

[TOfan]

Not surprised to hear Buffalo checking in on Coleman. I think there are going to be several teams who will have interest. Tough call for the Flames. Coleman is a pro’s pro. Great to have him around the team and would be missed, no question.

That said the value add may be too good to pass up. Interested to see where this one goes.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Ba'alzamon

I'd say "Why would Buffalo do that?" But they just traded Matthew Savoie for Ryan McLeod, so...

I think Warrener spoke to this but Buffalo has too many young offensively minded forwards. Too many. There’s not room for them all. What they do need is to bolster their bottom 6. They need more leadership and grit. Winning experience probably held in high regard too.

On the surface it may look like they’ll lose the trade but you have to understand the teams motivation.

On a related note, I’ve listened to plenty of podcasts where the consensus seems to be that the Flames are losing trade after trade but that’s not how I see it. I think Conroy’s done quite well.

[albertGQ]

What about Helenais? Is he considered an untouchable?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I think Warrener spoke to this but Buffalo has too many young offensively minded forwards. Too many. There’s not room for them all. What they do need is to bolster their bottom 6. They need more leadership and grit. Winning experience probably held in high regard too.

On the surface it may look like they’ll lose the trade but you have to understand the teams motivation.

On a related note, I’ve listened to plenty of podcasts where the consensus seems to be that the Flames are losing trade after trade but that’s not how I see it. I think Conroy’s done quite well.

They have almost nobody to play on the third and fourth lines but many guys who have to play in the top 6 to be successful. With the backend they have Coleman and even Backlund would be perfect pickups for them.

[Sandman]

I’m a bit wary of moving forward without some quality vets around to usher in the youth coming down the pipeline-not just vets, but character guys like Coleman, Backlund, and Andersson. We don’t want to just hand the keys to the team over to a bunch of kids like the Oilers did for a decade. That said, it would be difficult to turn down some of these proposals if they came to fruition….

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I’m a bit wary of moving forward without some quality vets around to usher in the youth coming down the pipeline-not just vets, but character guys like Coleman, Backlund, and Andersson. We don’t want to just hand the keys to the team over to a bunch of kids like the Oilers did for a decade. That said, it would be difficult to turn down some of these proposals if they came to fruition….

My question would be what is the critical mass needed for that. The Flames have the following players right now that somewhat check that box

Backlund
Coleman
Kadri
Huberdeau
Andersson
Weegar

Do you need 5 of those guys? 4 of those guys? I suspect you can get by without all 6. If the only two you are thinking of trading are Coleman and Andersson and your plan is to try to sign a quality vet or two next offseason to a short term contract maybe you can get by.

The types of returns I think you could get for Coleman and Andersson would be hard to turn down.

[Sylvanfan]

The report I saw was that Buffalo would be interested in Coleman if he came available. With three years left and needing to hold money to make a deal I doubt it would happen this year. They already have Markstroms retention on the books for two years here so I don't think the Flames want two slots tied up for multiple years.

With the current cap space the Flames could take a pick to broker other deadline deals.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

The report I saw was that Buffalo would be interested in Coleman if he came available. With three years left and needing to hold money to make a deal I doubt it would happen this year. They already have Markstroms retention on the books for two years here so I don't think the Flames want two slots tied up for multiple years.

With the current cap space the Flames could take a pick to broker other deadline deals.

They have 14.5 million in cap space, not sure the Sabres need any retention. Given that they gave Jason Zucker 5 million bucks for this year I doubt they are too worried about cap space for the Coleman contract. Given what Coleman brings and what Bertuzzi and DeBrusk got it is a fair contract. Coleman also does not really affect their ability to sign any of the players they need to sign in the next two offseasons.

[Niemo]

Agreed. Coleman is not someone we would need to retain on given the rising cap (unless the return was ridiculous). I’m expecting equivalent to a mid 1st (14-20)+ 3rd for Coleman without retention which I think is very fair. He brings more than just his 30 goals to the table (even if he is valued as a 25 goal guy). I would easily do Coleman + Pelletier for Kulich + 3rd.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

My question would be what is the critical mass needed for that. The Flames have the following players right now that somewhat check that box

Backlund
Coleman
Kadri
Huberdeau
Andersson
Weegar

Do you need 5 of those guys? 4 of those guys? I suspect you can get by without all 6. If the only two you are thinking of trading are Coleman and Andersson and your plan is to try to sign a quality vet or two next offseason to a short term contract maybe you can get by.

The types of returns I think you could get for Coleman and Andersson would be hard to turn down.

Exactly. I wonder how good Huby and Kadri are for the youngsters- I know Huberdeau was good for Pelletier, but I wonder to what degree these two are “leaders”.

[Burning Beard]

Yeah Coleman is 100% the vet I would hang on too. Plays the right way every shift and by all accounts likes and wants to be in Calgary. I know they can't get rid of Huberdeau and Kadri might be around a while but I think Coleman is someone you keep.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

The report I saw was that Buffalo would be interested in Coleman if he came available. With three years left and needing to hold money to make a deal I doubt it would happen this year. They already have Markstroms retention on the books for two years here so I don't think the Flames want two slots tied up for multiple years.

With the current cap space the Flames could take a pick to broker other deadline deals.

I don’t think you move Coleman and retain. I think the two remaining retention slots this year are, in all likelihood, going to be used for Kuzmeko and Mantga. That way you get your two spots again next year. Keep cashing in on those retention spots. If Andersson isn’t inclined to resign you trade with retention in 25/26, for example.

Personally, I agree with the thought that you need to keep some vets. I would also prefer to keep the ones we have, maybe not all of them, opposed to going out and signing guys at the tail end. Keep the guys that want to be here. If they start indicating they want out, then you have to act. If they are content, probably eat to keep them short of a deal that is too good to say no to.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Exactly. I wonder how good Huby and Kadri are for the youngsters- I know Huberdeau was good for Pelletier, but I wonder to what degree these two are “leaders”.

I think 4 is enough for this season. Next offseason you could try to sign a Hall or a Kuraly or a Brandon Tanev if they are UfA’s to upgrade the veteran presence. Maybe a veteran dman too, if you are worried about it.

If the package for a Coleman is something like Kulich straight across and for Andersson is the Hamonic package (a first and two seconds) or the equivalent of I think you have to take it. With one or two exceptions the young guys who are going to drive this team to success in 4-5 years are not even going to be playing on the team this year imo.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Exactly. I wonder how good Huby and Kadri are for the youngsters- I know Huberdeau was good for Pelletier, but I wonder to what degree these two are “leaders”.

I just don’t think Huberdeau is movable, and he might not be until he has two years left and he still may be next to impossible to move. Maybe 2 or 3 years of near ppg performance helps, but even then Flames are likely looking at having to retain for 3-4 years which I doubt they do.