IMO if we're adding size/toughness etc to the team at the deadline it won't be because they think its a deterrent to cheap shots. It will be to play a heavier game to tire opposition players out over 7 games.
That being said, if the Flames 1st round opponent is say, Minnesota, Colorado or Vancouver then Mangiapane will be just fine in the 4LW role. The 4L in general will be just fine.
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Fourth line. But so what? I think he's a waste of time on that team. Is anyone afraid to hit Marchessault? Eg. do you think Tkachuk is worried about Reaves when the Flames' second line plays the Vegas top line?
Or are you worried about Reaves hitting Johnny? Do you think Reaves (or Bif, or any other player) sweats Maroon? Or even thinks about what happens after a hit?
Ask anyone who watched the Vegas v. Winnipeg series last year if Reeves was a waste of time. Bury your head in the sand all you want, you're not getting away from a physical Western conference playoff series.
Ask anyone who watched the Vegas v. Winnipeg series last year if Reeves was a waste of time. Bury your head in the sand all you want, you're not getting away from a physical Western conference playoff series.
Ask Tom Wilson if Reeves is a waste of time.
If you have a Wilson, yeah, you see Reaves take him on. But you won't be seeing Reaves v. Gaudreau. And if you Reaves catches him (if he could), Pat Maroon isn't going to do a damned thing about it. Heck, Reaves would hit Johnny (if he could) even if Big Ern was on the team.
We signed Prout to be the "tough" guy and in the limited games where he has dressed and there has been scuffles (Washington Game) Prout did nothing, nothing to Wilson who was running around head hunting all game, nothing to anyone else either.
I don't buy the narrative of having a tough guy to scare people anymore, to another posters point I don't think people are all that scared of Wilson for being "tough" I think there worried they could get caught dirty by Wilson at any given point because he's reckless as they come.
Chalk me up as another person who wouldn't want Wilson on my team.
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We signed Prout to be the "tough" guy and in the limited games where he has dressed and there has been scuffles (Washington Game) Prout did nothing, nothing to Wilson who was running around head hunting all game, nothing to anyone else either.
I don't buy the narrative of having a tough guy to scare people anymore, to another posters point I don't think people are all that scared of Wilson for being "tough" I think there worried they could get caught dirty by Wilson at any given point because he's reckless as they come.
Chalk me up as another person who wouldn't want Wilson on my team.
agreed and he has done very little to establish his presence as a deterrent.
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You guys are largely missing the point with the idea of adding toughness. Firstly, I think most people want a physical presence who can play have a heavy game, and hit the other teams D whenever possible. Wearing down d men over a seven game series is a real thing, and is factor that happens in a playoff series that doesn’t occur in the regular season.
It isn’t about playing beside Johnny, people aren’t looking for a policeman type to fight whoever touches Johnny. That is totally missing the point.
There are some ancillary psychological benefits of someone who can settle things down against the other teams guys who are running around, but it is not about fighting someone who puts a hit on one of our skill guys. Basically, do you not think the Knights played with some extra swagger against the Caps based on how Reaves manhandled Wilson?
But the biggest factor for playoffs is being able to physically wear down the other teams D over 7 games, and they can do that very effectively playing on the bottom 6.
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What is the consensus on Brian Boyle? The 34 year old has 13 goals already this season. He has played in 111 play off games. Low cap hit, probably a decent cost of acquisition.
I think that he might slot in nicely on the 4th line
Boyle - Ryan - Hathaway
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Boyle would add a tempting combination of skill and hulking size to the fourth line while also being pretty defensively aware. He operates in a rather low-profile position, too -- should make him somewhat easier to acquire. He'd be pretty high on my list.
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Boyle would add a tempting combination of skill and hulking size to the fourth line while also being pretty defensively aware. He operates in a rather low-profile position, too -- should make him somewhat easier to acquire. He'd be pretty high on my list.
What do you think would get it done?
My guess would be Lazar and a 4th rounder.
Last year Patrick Maroon (14 G 16 A 30Pts in 53 games) was acquired for 3rd-round pick and J.D. Dudek.
Would love for this to happen. But what would the cost be? 1st, Dube, Frolik +?
That and more, probably Valimaki and or another early pick. (2nd/3rd)
Would you be willing to get rid of all that for just this season of Stone? There's no way we can resign him to a 8+Million long term contract so you're giving up all that for a pure rental.
Last year Patrick Maroon (14 G 16 A 30Pts in 53 games) was acquired for 3rd-round pick and J.D. Dudek.
I think the Devils might get better offers than that. I'd prefer not to trade a guy like Lazar, anyway -- he's valuable depth for the playoffs, along with guys like Mangiapane and Foo (guys who we know can play NHL minutes).
I'd do something like Ruzicka and a 3rd for Boyle. Ruzicka appears to have plateaued somewhat in the OHL.
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I dont know why I thought he did so I apologize, my point still stands however. He's done very little to deter much.
Well he has only played 10 games. I dont recall if there was much nonsense going on in those games and if there wasn't, would that not kind of indicate that he did indeed deter others from taking liberties? If there was then he missed his cue for sure. I really dont recall either way.
I will say this though, he has filled in nicely defensively when called upon. No you dont want him dressing every night but as the extra dman? Really cant ask for much more than he has provided and seems to accept his role just fine.
For the sake of argument I disagree. Maroon, although younger is having an awful season with only 4 goals and 10 assists to his name. Likewise his footspeed is just as bad as Boyles, but he doesn't bring the 111 games of playoff experience.
Ferland, I would love to see him, but I think the cost of acquisition would price the Flames out, if Ferland had a good contract in place he would be worth the 1st, but he doesn't and a 1st for a rental is ridiculous.
Simmonds, at the right price would be better.
I think the appeal of a player like Boyle is that he could be acquired at a fair price, and has play off experience, something the Flames team has very little of.
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Well he has only played 10 games. I dont recall if there was much nonsense going on in those games and if there wasn't, would that not kind of indicate that he did indeed deter others from taking liberties? If there was then he missed his cue for sure. I really dont recall either way.
I will say this though, he has filled in nicely defensively when called upon. No you dont want him dressing every night but as the extra dman? Really cant ask for much more than he has provided and seems to accept his role just fine.
He's been a great popcorn eater, I wont argue you with that. Someone needs to be that 7th man and he fits that specific role pretty well.
I just don't feel his deterrent factor is all that relevant, when it was specifically used as to why we brought him on.
