Its an uncapped year. Getting a former superbowl mvp who is 26 and coming off a 1300 yrd season for 12 games and maybe more for a 5th round pick. how is that not really worth it.
This has absolutely nothing to do with the cap. The fact that the Steelers did not want to PAY him (meaning real $$$$) was the reason this deal got done.
This has absolutely nothing to do with the cap. The fact that the Steelers did not want to PAY him (meaning real $$$$) was the reason this deal got done.
The Steelers had had enough of his off field antics to the point where they were willing to cut him. If he was the same type of citizen Heinz Ward is...the Steelers buck up and give him an extension. But they no longer wanted him as part of their organization it had nothing, absolutely nothing to do with not wanting to pay him as a player. It was about getting rid of the person off the field.
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The Steelers had had enough of his off field antics to the point where they were willing to cut him. If he was the same type of citizen Heinz Ward is...the Steelers buck up and give him an extension. But they no longer wanted him as part of their organization it had nothing, absolutely nothing to do with not wanting to pay him as a player. It was about getting rid of the person off the field.
You mean to tell me that him being a 1st round pick on one of those insane "paying for potential" contracts, it did not factor in? Come on Syl. I understand his off field problems, you know damn well his contract had a factor in this (being the last year in the deal and being very expensive)
You mean to tell me that him being a 1st round pick on one of those insane "paying for potential" contracts, it did not factor in? Come on Syl. I understand his off field problems, you know damn well his contract had a factor in this (being the last year in the deal and being very expensive)
Okay, do you know the details of the contract? Do you even know where the problematic NFL rookie contracts tend to occur, it's always the top 10 picks and top 5 that are the big issue for NFL teams. Hence why most teams outside of the top 10 will not move up unless it's a QB, Tackle, or Pass Rusher that they absolutely want. They know that it's going to cost them huge money.
The way most rookie contracts are structured the big money gets paid out in the first 3 years and the teams usually get a good deal on a productive player in years 4 and 5. Plus the guys who get the money in the NFL are the top 10 picks...Holmes was a 25 overall selection, his contract was a 5 year deal for just over 8 million when it was signed.
his salary is slated to be 755k next year. So I call BS and don't believe you one bit. Sure the Steelers are mad they can't use him for 4 games, he wouldn't get that suspension if there had not been a lot of problems with his off field conduct!
Second you're no longer paying for potential here, the guy is a 26 year old receiver who just had 1248 receiving yards last year and was a Superbowl MVP the year before. The Steelers are no longer a grind it out on the ground team, they throw the ball 35+ times a game, and he was their number one target. Based on his on field production this is a guy who should be getting paid.
I personally think you are pretty dead wrong here and that your assumption that it's because they didn't want to drop huge money on him is pretty funny. They paid Hines Ward in the past and if Holmes didn't have his off field problems they would have paid him.
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As a sports fan, Twitter rules. KC Chiefs CB Brandon Flowers tweeted on Sunday morning.
I replied.
Brandon Flowers replied back>
Not that engaging of a conversation I know. Just think its neat that us fans can chat with our sports heros, although briefly, when we live thousands of miles apart.
Nice!
Flowers is my favorite Chief, if I can have such a thing.
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Oh sure. Get rid of the black guy who recently got into some trouble.
Actually, they got rid of the easily replaceable position player rather than the generational QB.
Implying racism with the Steelers is akin to calling the Detroit Red Wings anti-Swedish.
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As a sports fan, Twitter rules. KC Chiefs CB Brandon Flowers tweeted on Sunday morning.
I replied.
Brandon Flowers replied back>
Not that engaging of a conversation I know. Just think its neat that us fans can chat with our sports heros, although briefly, when we live thousands of miles apart.
I know the feeling! Twitter is a fantastic tool for the average sports fan who is an information junkie, or even just curious to see what their favorite player is up to.
I know the feeling! Twitter is a fantastic tool for the average sports fan who is an information junkie, or even just curious to see what their favorite player is up to.
DeSean Jackson's twitter makes me want to claw my eyes out.
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One other point on Santonio Holmes that wise league minds have pointed out: he is in last year of his contract. Pitt didn't want to pay him.
If his contract was that little of a deal then Schefter (one of the most connected NFL sources in the league) wouldn't mention it at all. Listen I am not arguing with you saying that he did not have off-field problems - I know he did. The Steelers major factor was in fact his off-field issues, but my point was he is in his last year of his rookie contract and Pitt didn't want to pay him. His suspension of 4 games also factored into this deal.
I will believe the most connected NFL source - not you.
If his contract was that little of a deal then Schefter (one of the most connected NFL sources in the league) wouldn't mention it at all. Listen I am not arguing with you saying that he did not have off-field problems - I know he did. The Steelers major factor was in fact his off-field issues, but my point was he is in his last year of his rookie contract and Pitt didn't want to pay him. His suspension of 4 games also factored into this deal.
I will believe the most connected NFL source - not you.
Pittsburgh is notorious for not paying players. You're absolutely correct. They are so good in the draft they can afford to let guys like Holmes walk without a thought.
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If his contract was that little of a deal then Schefter (one of the most connected NFL sources in the league) wouldn't mention it at all. Listen I am not arguing with you saying that he did not have off-field problems - I know he did. The Steelers major factor was in fact his off-field issues, but my point was he is in his last year of his rookie contract and Pitt didn't want to pay him. His suspension of 4 games also factored into this deal.
I will believe the most connected NFL source - not you.
Fair enough, but I still stand by the point that his off field conduct is why the Steelers didn't want to pay him, not because his contract was for so much money. Conduct that ultimately landed him that suspension.
They already paid most of that contract and this was a chance to get something for a player they no longer wanted in their organization. Hence why the Steelers were willing to outright cut him if no one was willing to take him on. I don't think the amount of money they owed him on the last year of that rookie contract was an issue. There are a lot of receivers who are a lot less productive than Holmes making 5-10 times the salary he will next year.
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Fair enough, but I still stand by the point that his off field conduct is why the Steelers didn't want to pay him, not because his contract was for so much money. Conduct that ultimately landed him that suspension.
They already paid most of that contract and this was a chance to get something for a player they no longer wanted in their organization. Hence why the Steelers were willing to outright cut him if no one was willing to take him on. I don't think the amount of money they owed him on the last year of that rookie contract was an issue. There are a lot of receivers who are a lot less productive than Holmes making 5-10 times the salary he will next year.
Agreed, and it was my fault - I should have worded my post a lot better. Overall my opinion was that his contract did play a factor in trading him. The difference in salary for him compared to a WR picked in the 6th round is significant enough that they will get quite a bit of cap relief from this trade. His contract status and dollar amount did play a factor in this trade - not just because he had off-field problems. Don't get me wrong - I am a Holmes fan and was VERY surprised they only got a 5th from him, but after thinking about it more - it made a ton of sense.
Pittsburgh is notorious for not paying players. You're absolutely correct. They are so good in the draft they can afford to let guys like Holmes walk without a thought.
They are good at drafting, and they did essentially replace Plaxico Burris with Holmes, and Mike Wallace who was drafted last year was likely taken with the idea that he'd eventually replace Holmes.
But even the best drafting teams out there do have to keep a few of their productive players beyond their rookie contracts. The Steelers planned to move on from Holmes this was the last straw.
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If his contract was that little of a deal then Schefter (one of the most connected NFL sources in the league) wouldn't mention it at all. Listen I am not arguing with you saying that he did not have off-field problems - I know he did. The Steelers major factor was in fact his off-field issues, but my point was he is in his last year of his rookie contract and Pitt didn't want to pay him. His suspension of 4 games also factored into this deal.
I will believe the most connected NFL source - not you.
Schefter means that Pitt didnt want to pay for his next contract, so you either let the guy walk as a free agent or your trade him for something.
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Roofolin,
What the heck is a Roofolin
Roofolin is the date rape drug
Why do they call it roofolin, who not groundies.
Why not call them rapies.
Roofolin is what guy do when they dont want to spend alot of money on booze.
Great Bradshaw video on the horses a$$.
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Brandon Marshall has signed his RFA tender which is just over $2.5M. Very likely he moves sometime between now and the end of the first round of the draft.
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Brandon Marshall has signed his RFA tender which is just over $2.5M. Very likely he moves sometime between now and the end of the first round of the draft.
He has been dealt to the Dolphins for a 2nd this year and another one next year.
I am ok with the marshall trade if it means more focus on the running game.
He was likely the reason we won half our games last year, some of the plays he makes no other player makes.
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It's hard to know exactly what happened with Marshall in Denver. It definitely was impacted by the Darant Williams shooting incident. The guy is a big time receiver and if his head is on straight he is best guy in that Division at that position. Definitely a huge upgrade at the position for the Dolphins. The Jets and Dolphins certainly are gearing up to take a run at the Patriots. I don't think I'd want to be the Buffalo Bills.
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