[Trade] Markstrom (31.25% retained) traded to NJ for 2025 1st (top 10 protected) and Bahl

[Flamesfan05]

If Conroy traded him last TDL, maybe he could have had NJ’s 2024 pick

But that may not be the 10th overall, since Markstrom should have helped them but who knows

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The conversations included adding a 2nd, or the 28thOA, or a player (Pospisil), assumed full retention, etc.

And it sounds like the 10th WAS on the table, but the Devils wanted Coronato included (glad Conroy didn't bite on that).

So it seems to me that the discussions weren't that far off the mark.

Were there people expecting too much? Of course. And there were people expecting too little. That is the nature of discussions. But overall, the conversations were pretty close to what happened.

I must have missed this. Who reported Coronato was in the discussions?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

If Conroy traded him last TDL, maybe he could have had NJ’s 2024 pick

But that may not be the 10th overall, since Markstrom should have helped them but who knows

Would have been protected anyways

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

I must have missed this. Who reported Coronato was in the discussions?

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...&postcount=413

[Vinny01]

Reading some of the trade grades it is not favorable for the Flames. If Markstrom was NJ or bust then this is a decent deal but from the sounds of it he was open to other teams. I assume this was the deal that was done last year but when the $2M retention came into play there likely was some pause because it feels like they should have got more.

Glass half full after the 22-23 season it would have cost significant assets to dump Markstrom and a year later they get a 1st and young NHL Dman and dump $4M of cap hit for 2 years.

Had the Flamea added 28 would have they got the 10th pick? Maybe but also maybe they didn’t want that and preferred having 2 1sts for future flexibility to make other trades?

Hopefully like the last deal with the Devils hopefully the player we got back exceeds most fans expectations just like Sharangovich did last season and Bahl looks like a legit top 4 guy in the making next year.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The conversations included adding a 2nd, or the 28thOA, or a player (Pospisil), assumed full retention, etc.

And it sounds like the 10th WAS on the table, but the Devils wanted Coronato included (glad Conroy didn't bite on that).

So it seems to me that the discussions weren't that far off the mark.

Were there people expecting too much? Of course. And there were people expecting too little. That is the nature of discussions. But overall, the conversations were pretty close to what happened.

Pushing hard to get the 10th pick doesn't mean it was realistically attainable. Of course it would be on the table but as we saw, the ask was prohibitive.

[sa226]

Markstrom was a really good goalie for us. There is no denying that. He's one of the better goalies in the league.

But for me, in the one season where this team had a shot at a cup run, he was not very good in a crucial series against a chief rival. I can't forget that.

A 1st and a decent young player sounds good to me

[868904]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Reading some of the trade grades it is not favorable for the Flames. If Markstrom was NJ or bust then this is a decent deal but from the sounds of it he was open to other teams. I assume this was the deal that was done last year but when the $2M retention came into play there likely was some pause because it feels like they should have got more.

Glass half full after the 22-23 season it would have cost significant assets to dump Markstrom and a year later they get a 1st and young NHL Dman and dump $4M of cap hit for 2 years.

Had the Flamea added 28 would have they got the 10th pick? Maybe but also maybe they didn’t want that and preferred having 2 1sts for future flexibility to make other trades?

Hopefully like the last deal with the Devils hopefully the player we got back exceeds most fans expectations just like Sharangovich did last season and Bahl looks like a legit top 4 guy in the making next year.

People put way too much stock into what "writers" opinions. Very few of them were NHL executives and understand values and how trades work. These "writers" usually have no clue what they are talking about and they all have their personal biases (if they grew up outside of Calgary, they likely cheer for one of the Flames rivals; and if they are Flames fans, then it is in their nature to #### on the Flames moves). There is zero objectivity from these "writers". Their opinion is about as good as any of the posters on here. So, really, who cares what the Athletic or other BS website says?

The historical comparables are out there. You can make your own objective analysis on the value with factual data and based on this, the deal looks completely market. Any grade less than a "B" is just a Flame hater trying to get their kicks in on a rival of their favourite team.

[devo22]

any time you sign a 30 year old goalie in free agency and get a 1st + for him four years later is a win in my book.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Pushing hard to get the 10th pick doesn't mean it was realistically attainable. Of course it would be on the table but as we saw, the ask was prohibitive.

If the ask for the Devlis 10 OA was more than Markstrom + 28 OA then the correct decision was made by Conroy to go for 2025 and Bahl.

This trade is fine. It's not a homerun unless of course Calgary ends up drafting an absolute stud with the pick or unless Bahl turns into a 4-5 year mainstay on the blueline.

[Ashasx]

https://www.nhl.com/nhl-network/topi...-6355319942112

It looks like Saros is about the enter the trade market as his contract demands are exceeding what Nashville is willing to offer.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Flames caught wind of this potentially coming out and wanted to act on Markstrom before they were left without a dance partner.

It's further cementing my belief that this was a good trade for the Flames and that they acted at the appropriate time.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

https://www.nhl.com/nhl-network/topi...-6355319942112

It looks like Saros is about the enter the trade market as his contract demands are exceeding what Nashville is willing to offer.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Flames caught wind of this potentially coming out and wanted to act on Markstrom before they were left without a dance partner.

It's further cementing my belief that this was a good trade for the Flames and that they acted at the appropriate time.

Time for the Leafs to pay through the nose. It really is their only option. The Bruins won't trade Ullmark to them, and who else is out there that's a true #1?

[FlamesAddiction]

I said as much in the rumour thread, but I didn't think he was worth a 1st, so I am happy with the return.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Pushing hard to get the 10th pick doesn't mean it was realistically attainable. Of course it would be on the table but as we saw, the ask was prohibitive.

I'm good with the return, and it really was a fair deal for both teams.

But I'm still disappointed and would have liked to have seen Conroy play a little more hardball right up to the draft floor (just like he should have done with Tanev).

I know there's risk in that, but clearly the Devils saw Markstrom as the goalie they wanted -- and the only way to win a trade is to wait until the other team is desperate enough. Until the pick is made, it was in play for a goalie and there are a lot of emotions on that draft floor.

I actually feel this is starting to show as a bit of a weakness in Conroy as a GM. He doesn't seem like he's willing to wait until the last minute in case he misses. Some of this might be the pressure he's under, but it makes me a little concerned that he'll overpay when he really wants a guy. If I were another GM, I would be looking to exploit this.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Would have been protected anyways

Then the 2025 is unprotected

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by handgroen

Pretty crazy that the kings traded for a goalie immediately after the markstrom deal went down.
I wonder what the offer for markstrom from the kings was?

Pierre-Luc Dubois.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Time for the Leafs to pay through the nose. It really is their only option. The Bruins won't trade Ullmark to them, and who else is out there that's a true #1?

Brad will be calling offering a 3rd just to make sure it is known he was in on it.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

If Conroy traded him last TDL, maybe he could have had NJ’s 2024 pick

But that may not be the 10th overall, since Markstrom should have helped them but who knows

I don’t think devils could put the 2024 first on the table at deadline because there were conditions on the pick from Meir trade.

I think at worst conroy got what was offered at trade deadline. There was rumours of devils offering a 2nd round pick and holtz at deadline. At the time I didn’t believe it , but I’m starting to think that it could have been true.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

https://www.nhl.com/nhl-network/topi...-6355319942112

It looks like Saros is about the enter the trade market as his contract demands are exceeding what Nashville is willing to offer.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Flames caught wind of this potentially coming out and wanted to act on Markstrom before they were left without a dance partner.

It's further cementing my belief that this was a good trade for the Flames and that they acted at the appropriate time.

Conroy said something that probably confirms this. He said the goalie market was starting to heat up, so they had to make a move quick.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by YyjFlames

I'm good with the return, and it really was a fair deal for both teams.

But I'm still disappointed and would have liked to have seen Conroy play a little more hardball right up to the draft floor (just like he should have done with Tanev).

I know there's risk in that, but clearly the Devils saw Markstrom as the goalie they wanted -- and the only way to win a trade is to wait until the other team is desperate enough. Until the pick is made, it was in play for a goalie and there are a lot of emotions on that draft floor.

I actually feel this is starting to show as a bit of a weakness in Conroy as a GM. He doesn't seem like he's willing to wait until the last minute in case he misses. Some of this might be the pressure he's under, but it makes me a little concerned that he'll overpay when he really wants a guy. If I were another GM, I would be looking to exploit this.

If Conroy had waited would you have accepted a poor return?
It's a tricky game of musical chairs. A finite number of teams need a goalie and there are more goalies available than usually. We've seen two move already, and at least a couple more will.

So you have to evaluate how much better you think the deal will get relatively how much worse it can get if you wait too long.

I'm not convinced waiting would have been the right move.