[Trade] Monahan and conditional 2025 1st to Montreal for future considerations

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

Debbie Downer post.

The nostalgia love for Monahan is insane. Even before his injuries, Monahan played soft. Not great at carrying the puck despite being a center. Not great along the boards. Never used his size. His defensive game was never a finished product, always in the works. His one elite trait was a nice shot and finding open spots on the ice for that shot. There was a reason he was nicknamed the garbage man, and people wanted him moved to the wing. His goal and point totals were largely carried by Gaudreau. Eventually, Monahan's game got so bad, he dragged Gaudreau to career lows. Gaudreau's game recovered after being separated from Monahan; Monahan's game got even worse. Overall, he was a one-dimensional opportunistic sniper who got lucky to ride Gaudreau's coattails for as long as he did.

Sure, you can mention injuries. Speculation, but Monahan chose to play through injury instead of seek surgery or rest. This made his game and career worse, and the Flames suffered because of it. Flames could've gotten a fully rehabilitated player or at least cap space if not for Monahan's poor decision to play hurt. Maybe team doctors are partly to blame, but Monahan owns a part of that, too.

I can still wish him well, but people are conveniently forgetting all of the frustrating things about his time here.

This post sucks.

Monahan is a quality person, and he was in fact at one time a very good NHL player. He has certainly earned the nostalgia of fans in spite of his flaws.

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[UnitedFlames]

How could any fan possibly know whether or not it was Monahan who decided to play hurt? Jeeesh.

[saillias]

^because Treliving has literally said so in interviews including recently on Bob McCown's youtube show. it's not a speculated thing it's a common occurrence. Monahan would conceal injuries until he couldn't keep playing anymore and then would go get checked out and be shut down.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

This post sucks.

Monahan is a quality person, and he was in fact at one time a very good NHL player. He has certainly earned the nostalgia of fans in spite of his flaws.

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Unfortunately most of what was in the post was true.

Monny is absolutely a quality person, although he chose to play through injuries and hurt his team and likely himself.

If Monny had prevented a trade to another team with his limited NTC, preventing the Flames from signing Kadri, posters here would be putting him along side Johnny in the hatred category.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Unfortunately most of what was in the post was true.

Monny is absolutely a quality person, although he chose to play through injuries and hurt his team and likely himself.

If Monny had prevented a trade to another team with his limited NTC, preventing the Flames from signing Kadri, posters here would be putting him along side Johnny in the hatred category.

The whataboutism didn't happen though. So who cares

Ppl can say what they want about Monahan, it's fair game. But let's not make stuff up.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Unfortunately most of what was in the post was true.

Monny is absolutely a quality person, although he chose to play through injuries and hurt his team and likely himself.

If Monny had prevented a trade to another team with his limited NTC, preventing the Flames from signing Kadri, posters here would be putting him along side Johnny in the hatred category.

I still don’t understand why anyone could hate on Gaudreau. I can’t fault a husband from staying in his home country if that’s where the wife wants to raise their kid.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Unfortunately most of what was in the post was true.

Monny is absolutely a quality person, although he chose to play through injuries and hurt his team and likely himself.

If Monny had prevented a trade to another team with his limited NTC, preventing the Flames from signing Kadri, posters here would be putting him along side Johnny in the hatred category.

I still don’t understand why anyone could hate on Gaudreau after a bit of reflection. He probably would have stayed a Flame if it was entirely up to him but I can’t fault a husband from staying in his home country if that’s where the wife and her family wants to raise their kid.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I still don’t understand why anyone could hate on Gaudreau after a bit of reflection. He probably would have stayed a Flame if it was entirely up to him but I can’t fault a husband from staying in his home country if that’s where the wife and her family wants to raise their kid.

See, I don't understand the need to hate on almost any player. The vast majority of them seem like good guys who are just making a life for themselves and their families. Yes, there are a tiny handful of toxic idiots like Evander Kane and James Neal, but for the most part they are basically just doing what all of us are trying to do.

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[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Unfortunately most of what was in the post was true.

No. Most of what was in the post was a misleading retrospective on the basis of the past few years of Monahan's career here. Monahan absolutely was a very good NHL player for the first half of his time in Calgary, and that post is doing everything possible to detract from and ignore that fact.

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[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I still don’t understand why anyone could hate on Gaudreau after a bit of reflection. He probably would have stayed a Flame if it was entirely up to him but I can’t fault a husband from staying in his home country if that’s where the wife and her family wants to raise their kid.

I can’t speak for everyone, however I think “most” are upset because he strung the flames along, countered their offer and then when the Flames ownership group agreed to it, he ghosted them and decided to test free agency anyway.

The fact his camp contacted Columbus (lol?) just makes it so much worse.
Had he been honest from the start I wouldn’t hold any grudge/judgement myself, but when he lied and acted the way he did above he lost my respect.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I can’t speak for everyone, however I think “most” are upset because he strung the flames along, countered their offer and then when the Flames ownership group agreed to it, he ghosted them and decided to test free agency anyway.



The fact his camp contacted Columbus (lol?) just makes it so much worse.

Had he been honest from the start I wouldn’t hold any grudge/judgement myself, but when he lied and acted the way he did above he lost my respect.

He was a UFA, didn't owe us anything. The reason he 'strung us along' was probably because he was indecisive from wanting to stay. The Columbus thing is just inferiority complex issues

The outrage over Johnny is cringe worthy

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

This post sucks.

Monahan is a quality person, and he was in fact at one time a very good NHL player. He has certainly earned the nostalgia of fans in spite of his flaws.

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I think I said it a long ways back, but I do occasionally get snippets of information from sources who work with the Flames, nothing ground-breaking or secret, but just a little bit of an inside sense of things.

I was told that the Flames as an organization, management, players, staff, everyone absolutely adore Sean Monahan. He is apparently the utmost definition of stand-up guy, team-first, give it all kind of player and man.

Its why he was with the team during the playoffs, its why they asked him to rehab in Calgary to stay around the team. He is universally revered and respected and it probably almost killed Treliving to trade him, but it had to be done.

I think what we need to be mindful and respectful of is that Monahan is what he is now as a product of who he was prior. He was that player who would go through a wall for his teammates and unfortunately he broke himself doing it.

I will never say that I have anything but the utmost respect and admiration for Sean Monahan. That guy was a warrior who gave it his all.

Personally I hope his new hips turn him into the Bionic man he resurrects his career and when his contract is up we go out and get him back.

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[AltaGuy]

I don't hate Gaudreau at all. But I will definitely boo him like crazy if I get a chance (during hockey games only).

The only time I ever had a great time attending an opera was in Montreal. There was a famous tenor who people were excited to see, but the guy lost his voice a few minutes in. And thereafter, every time the poor guy tried to croak out a tune, boos rained down on him and drowned out his broken voice. For three hours, little old ladies in mink coats, guys with bowties, and assorted other tweedy professor-types booed the living hell out of this tenor. I loved that opera.

Anyway, booing is supposed to be fun. It'll be fun to boo Gaudreau. He's a villain now.

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by AltaGuy

I don't hate Gaudreau at all. But I will definitely boo him like crazy if I get a chance (during hockey games only).

The only time I ever had a great time attending an opera was in Montreal. There was a famous tenor who people were excited to see, but the guy lost his voice a few minutes in. And thereafter, every time the poor guy tried to croak out a tune, boos rained down on him and drowned out his broken voice. For three hours, little old ladies in mink coats, guys with bowties, and assorted other tweedy professor-types booed the living hell out of this tenor. I loved that opera.

Anyway, booing is supposed to be fun. It'll be fun to boo Gaudreau. He's a villain now.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by AltaGuy

I don't hate Gaudreau at all. But I will definitely boo him like crazy if I get a chance (during hockey games only).

The only time I ever had a great time attending an opera was in Montreal. There was a famous tenor who people were excited to see, but the guy lost his voice a few minutes in. And thereafter, every time the poor guy tried to croak out a tune, boos rained down on him and drowned out his broken voice. For three hours, little old ladies in mink coats, guys with bowties, and assorted other tweedy professor-types booed the living hell out of this tenor. I loved that opera.

Anyway, booing is supposed to be fun. It'll be fun to boo Gaudreau. He's a villain now.

Jesus Christ.

Neither scenario is a good look. Maybe consider a more empathetic approach to life.

[Mull]

Originally Posted by AltaGuy

I don't hate Gaudreau at all. But I will definitely boo him like crazy if I get a chance (during hockey games only).

The only time I ever had a great time attending an opera was in Montreal. There was a famous tenor who people were excited to see, but the guy lost his voice a few minutes in. And thereafter, every time the poor guy tried to croak out a tune, boos rained down on him and drowned out his broken voice. For three hours, little old ladies in mink coats, guys with bowties, and assorted other tweedy professor-types booed the living hell out of this tenor. I loved that opera.

Anyway, booing is supposed to be fun. It'll be fun to boo Gaudreau. He's a villain now.

Things that didn’t happen for $500 Alex!

[redforever]

Originally Posted by AltaGuy

I don't hate Gaudreau at all. But I will definitely boo him like crazy if I get a chance (during hockey games only).

The only time I ever had a great time attending an opera was in Montreal. There was a famous tenor who people were excited to see, but the guy lost his voice a few minutes in. And thereafter, every time the poor guy tried to croak out a tune, boos rained down on him and drowned out his broken voice. For three hours, little old ladies in mink coats, guys with bowties, and assorted other tweedy professor-types booed the living hell out of this tenor. I loved that opera.

Anyway, booing is supposed to be fun. It'll be fun to boo Gaudreau. He's a villain now.

I can't think of anything much lower class than booing a tenor who lost his voice.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Jesus Christ.

Neither scenario is a good look. Maybe consider a more empathetic approach to life.

I'm on board with the Gaudreau booing at the rink. The opera story is ###ed up though... that's pretty unclassy for an audience of supposed "class". Savage, even.

[Mull]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I'm on board with the Gaudreau booing at the rink. The opera story is ###ed up though... that's pretty unclassy for an audience of supposed "class". Savage, even.

...because the opera story is obviously fake - ever been to an opera before? No chance they spent three hours booing a famous singer no matter how bad he was that night.