[News] Tkachuk notifies Flames he won't sign long term (The Athletic)

[Gaudreau is a Ninja]

Do not screw this trade up Tre! If he makes a trade for ‘players that can help now and not prospects or draft picks’. Any player traded to the Flames for Tkachuk better be 24 years or younger plus high picks included. If Tre uses the word Retool I’m going to be so frustrated.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Gaudreau is a Ninja

Do not screw this trade up Tre! If he makes a trade for ‘players that can help now and not prospects or draft picks’. Any player traded to the Flames for Tkachuk better be 24 years or younger plus high picks included. If Tre uses the word Retool I’m going to be so frustrated.

He will use the word Reload not a retool.

[mennoknight]

Mercer is a good player too, I'd be thrilled with a Mercer/Holtz return. Immediately makes the team deeper up the middle and better within 2 years.

[CalgaryFan1988]

I wanted Mercer at the draft, so would be nice to get him. Holtz seems like he could be a good player, with the Swedish connection.

Be interesting to see the value of Tkachuk in a sign and trade scenario. His value would be at an all-time high, I think.

Tkachuk ending up in Jersey, while Gaudreau is in Ohio would be funny.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

I wanted Mercer at the draft, so would be nice to get him. Holtz seems like he could be a good player, with the Swedish connection.

Be interesting to see the value of Tkachuk in a sign and trade scenario. His value would be at an all-time high, I think.

Tkachuk ending up in Jersey, while Gaudreau is in Ohio would be funny.

It may not be because of the contract situation and the limited number of teams he wants to go to.

[mdubz]

Wasn’t it reported that NJD isn’t on Tkachuk’s list?

[GS Skier]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

He will use the word Reload not a retool.

I expect you guys to be "frustrated" then and couldn't care less.

Goal and Defense are as strong as they were before and center is exactly the same. There will be a recoup for Tkachuk and it may involve taking salary from the other team as we have tons of cap space now which also means we can use that to pry another winger.

Get someone with speed to add to the wing.

Blow it up somewhere else. It's beyond belief how or why anyone thinks "4-5" 1st round picks is somehow better than what this team has now.

The Islanders lost Tavares and thought the world was coming to an end. They made the playoffs the next year.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

It may not be because of the contract situation and the limited number of teams he wants to go to.

I was just hoping/dreaming, per the discussion, that Treliving would be aware that a trade without an extension in place wouldn't bring back a ton and would work out a sign and trade and bring back a lot more value and no risk for the purchaser.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

I was just hoping/dreaming, per the discussion, that Treliving would be aware that a trade without an extension in place wouldn't bring back a ton and would work out a sign and trade and bring back a lot more value and no risk for the purchaser.

Yeah if they can work that out and if there are competition for him

All I am saying is he has lots of control so to say his value is at the all time high may not be true. He may do the Iginla thing and forces the Flames to trade him to a place he likes for a smaller package

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by mdubz

Wasn’t it reported that NJD isn’t on Tkachuk’s list?

That list was confirmed as being not accurate yesterday by Francis and Seravalli.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by GS Skier

I expect you guys to be "frustrated" then and couldn't care less.

Goal and Defense are as strong as they were before and center is exactly the same. There will be a recoup for Tkachuk and it may involve taking salary from the other team as we have tons of cap space now which also means we can use that to pry another winger.

Get someone with speed to add to the wing.

Blow it up somewhere else. It's beyond belief how or why anyone thinks "4-5" 1st round picks is somehow better than what this team has now.

The Islanders lost Tavares and thought the world was coming to an end. They made the playoffs the next year.

I agree, this team is still a bubble team. Way behind the powerhouses in the conference (Avs, Blues, Oilers) but in the mix with about 8 other teams for the final 5 playoff spots. I think we have enough talent to be a bubble team for another couple years.

[Erick Estrada]

I guess one of the complications would be any team trading for him would have to make room for a contract in the range of $9+ million which isn't easy. I imagine the Flames will be receiving a roster player in the deal carrying a fairly large salary. I just hope that player is a salary dump and not a centerpiece of the deal. The only way this trade can be a success for the flames is a return of quality young prospects and draft picks.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I guess one of the complications would be any team trading for him would have to make room for a contract in the range of $9+ million which isn't easy. I imagine the Flames will be receiving a roster player in the deal carrying a fairly large salary. I just hope that player is a salary dump and not a centerpiece of the deal.

Unless Tkachuk signs a one year deal, Flames retain 50% and Tkachuk immediately agrees to an 8 year deal with the team thereafter.

It gives us the possibility to acquire more assets and gives the other team one year to figure out the cap.

I also agree with many of the posters here, Mercer and Holtz would be somewhat acceptable. Losing a player like Chucky though sucks though.

[bax]

Mercer, Holtz, unprotected 2023 1st would be as good as we could hope I think.

2 really solid 20 year old forward prospects and no guarantee that pick isn’t in the Bedard lottery.

That is much more appealing to me than a 24 year old Jordan Kyrou. Flames need to think rebuild and not retool.

If they play this right and show a bit of patience they could draft 6-7 times in the first round over the next two drafts. Would be insanely helpful

[Geeoff]

At the end of the day, it's gonna be difficult to "win" a Tkachuk trade. I just want to see a clear plan

[rhino]

Originally Posted by Gaudreau is a Ninja

Do not screw this trade up Tre! If he makes a trade for ‘players that can help now and not prospects or draft picks’. Any player traded to the Flames for Tkachuk better be 24 years or younger plus high picks included. If Tre uses the word Retool I’m going to be so frustrated.

I have no issue with 1 younger high end roster player another player older that only has 1 year left to make the cap $ work a 1st round pick etc. something like:

Kyrou, Tarasenko (who can be flipped at the deadline if needed) then picks.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Be interesting to see the value of Tkachuk in a sign and trade scenario. His value would be at an all-time high, I think.

A players value is at an all time high when they are great right out of the gate and still on an entry level contract.

Players like Raymond and Seider are exceptionally high for that reason. Great, cheap with years of control.

Even if Tkachuk signs an 8-year, $80M contract, that cap hit means his value is not at an all time high. His value was likely greatest when he was on his ELC. We don't see that because great players in that situation are not traded.

Most good teams in the US that Tkachuk might want to go to will have lots of trouble fitting him in. Even if they can this year, they may have been saving space to fit other players in next year.

And when cap strapped teams (basically all good teams) are cap strapped, they need to rely upon their prospects and high draft picks to see them through with cheap, good players. There will be a general reluctance to send them all away in a trade for a very expensive player who they have trouble fitting in, and now have less prospects to fill out their roster cheaply.

I expect Calagry will need to take back some cap to make a decent trade.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

At the end of the day, it's gonna be difficult to "win" a Tkachuk trade. I just want to see a clear plan

You’ll never hear a clear plan if a team is going into a rebuild. That’s just the reality for any team when they need season ticket holders to renew. I don’t care what they call it as long as they get valuable picks back, or if they got Kyrou, the ability to flip him for a top 10 pick.

[bax]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

A players value is at an all time high when they are great right out of the gate and still on an entry level contract.

Players like Raymond and Seider are exceptionally high for that reason. Great, cheap with years of control.

Even if Tkachuk signs an 8-year, $80M contract, that cap hit means his value is not at an all time high. His value was likely greatest when he was on his ELC. We don't see that because great players in that situation are not traded.

Most good teams in the US that Tkachuk might want to go to will have lots of trouble fitting him in. Even if they can this year, they may have been saving space to fit other players in next year.

And when cap strapped teams (basically all good teams) are cap strapped, they need to rely upon their prospects and high draft picks to see them through with cheap, good players. There will be a general reluctance to send them all away in a trade for a very expensive player who they have trouble fitting in, and now have less prospects to fill out their roster cheaply.

I expect Calagry will need to take back some cap to make a decent trade.

Honestly that’s how they should be thinking. If they commit to a hard reset they will have plenty of cap space to take on some bad contracts in exchange for more draft capital

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by bax

Honestly that’s how they should be thinking. If the commit to a hard reset they will have plenty of cap space to take on some bad contracts in exchange for more draft capital

I really doubt there will be any "hard reset". This is a forced retooling.

Depending on the return on Tkachuk, and whether they save any cap space, they will run with what they have, and perhaps add a UFA if they have the space to, and can unload the Lucic cap hit.